The First Shot

[John Corbett]

It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.

The shooter has to walk 100 ft and squeeze thru narrow opening of the box wall and then he has to select which boxes  which he wants to use, slide 2 of them in the angle he desired , stack the 3rd box on the window ledge and he has to LOWER the window from its full half open when Rowland saw the black man “hanging out” the window. To the 15.5 in height it was in the Bronson film.

All of this moving of the 3 boxes in place and lowering the window was occurring AFTER Norman was at his 5th floor window from 12:23 till the 12:30 shooting started. Should not Norman heard something?

You make it sound like it was a Herculean task to stack those boxes by the window.

[Jack Nessan]

It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.

The shooter has to walk 100 ft and squeeze thru narrow opening of the box wall and then he has to select which boxes  which he wants to use, slide 2 of them in the angle he desired , stack the 3rd box on the window ledge and he has to LOWER the window from its full half open when Rowland saw the black man “hanging out” the window. To the 15.5 in height it was in the Bronson film.

All of this moving of the 3 boxes in place and lowering the window was occurring AFTER Norman was at his 5th floor window from 12:23 till the 12:30 shooting started. Should not Norman heard something?

“It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.”

This is nothing but pure conjecture to think it was constructed after BRW left the floor. Where does that come from?
It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes. Remember Givens saw him walking from that direction.
Or done before BRW returned to the 6th floor.

Unfortunately, Rowland is every CT’s wet dream. The mistake is believing anything Rowland stated as having any basis in reality. After he said he watched the parade the WC should have said OK thanks for coming.  Reread Rowland’s testimony but this time read it with the idea you want to know how many times did the WC catch him fabricating stories or outright lying to them. He is that guy.

Here is a few. I counted at least 9 times. Start at the beginning when he is telling them he went to the eye doctor and his eyesight was better than 20-20. Then why was he there. It just gets worse from that point.

 There is no such thing as a 30 odd six rifle. You cannot tell the caliber of rifle by looking at it. Especially from 200 feet away. He knew it was a high powered scope, seriously.

His description of the guy in the window is ridiculous and completely wrong. Was the guy standing at the window or back inside the room.
Three different descriptions of the man he saw. When asked if he looked back at the 6th floor window after the shooting he said first no, then maybe, then yes. If you heard gunfire wouldn’t that be the first place you would look. At the place you supposedly saw a man with a rifle.

He used to go back to the building, look at it, and reconstruct the assassination in his mind. This is why they were making fun of him throughout the testimony. They knew he was lying to them and just a big BS artist caught up in the moment.

Eventually they had to bring his wife to testify about his believability.

[Zeon Mason]

You make it sound like it was a Herculean task to stack those boxes by the window.

 No, of course it’s not Herculean lol ,  but it does take time especially if the shooter hasn’t yet selected which boxes he was going to use. All I’ve ever read about the Bronson film is that it started at 12:25. If somebody has other information that disputes that time then by all means post it. That might resolve the issue.

 I can envision the shooter having stayed on the 6th floor after he spotted BRW  when the shooter was at SW window. And it can work if there’s a place to hide at the NE corner of 6th floor where the shooter could observe BRW down that east side aisle and observe BRW leave, walk down the aisle, turn leftward to go to elevator and get on the elevators and operate it to go down. That would take about 30 secs to traverse the distance ( about 175 ft)

The shooter then has only maybe 90 ft to traverse if he was hiding behind some boxes at the NE corner of the floor  to get to the SN  So it would not likely take longer than about 15 seconds

Then he has to select which boxes , stack them, orient them at that angle and place a box on the window ledge Then lower the window,and  position himself sitting on a box and keeping himself out of sight by start of Bronson film at 12:25. IDK what the fastest probable time is to complete the whole sequence But it likely would take at least another

So totaling up it looks like to me that the shooter would need at least about 2 minutes  to complete the sequence. Therefore BRW has to leave from the window by 12:23 which is possible and as seen one last time the by Rowland.

Strange Roland ( or anyone else?) did not see any activity of the shooter in the window moving and stacking box on the window ledge and lowering the window.

I see why the LNs prefer just to write off Rowland as a “ clown”. But I can’t do that. IMO the guy was telling what he saw and he had the TSBD clock in sight AS he observed  BRW. So his 12:15 time stamp is a valid one.

[Zeon Mason]

“It’s the arrangement of those 3 boxes that had to be completed before the Bronson film starts at 12:25 which is problem. It’s going to be really close if BRW did not leave that window until 12:23 cause the shooter has to wait for BRW to walk abut 160 ft and get on the elevator and operate it before the shooter could be confident BRW was gone from the floor.”

This is nothing but pure conjecture to think it was constructed after BRW left the floor. Where does that come from?
It could have been done before Givens returned to the 6th floor to retrieve his jacket and cigarettes. Remember Givens saw him walking from that direction.
Or done before BRW returned to the 6th floor.

Unfortunately, Rowland is every CT’s wet dream. The mistake is believing anything Rowland stated as having any basis in reality. After he said he watched the parade the WC should have said OK thanks for coming.  Reread Rowland’s testimony but this time read it with the idea you want to know how many times did the WC catch him fabricating stories or outright lying to them. He is that guy.

Here is a few. I counted at least 9 times. Start at the beginning when he is telling them he went to the eye doctor and his eyesight was better than 20-20. Then why was he there. It just gets worse from that point.

 There is no such thing as a 30 odd six rifle. You cannot tell the caliber of rifle by looking at it. Especially from 200 feet away. He knew it was a high powered scope, seriously.

His description of the guy in the window is ridiculous and completely wrong. Was the guy standing at the window or back inside the room.
Three different descriptions of the man he saw. When asked if he looked back at the 6th floor window after the shooting he said first no, then maybe, then yes. If you heard gunfire wouldn’t that be the first place you would look. At the place you supposedly saw a man with a rifle.

He used to go back to the building, look at it, and reconstruct the assassination in his mind. This is why they were making fun of him throughout the testimony. They knew he was lying to them and just a big BS artist caught up in the moment.

Eventually they had to bring his wife to testify about his believability.

Well that’s the easiest way to resolve it I guess, except that his wife CONFIRMs that Rowland was trying to point out to her both the black man at SE window and the  man holding a gun at SE window and that Rowland thought the gun resembled a hunting rifle with large scope. His wife was nearsighted and she was not wearing her glasses so it’s plausible she was not able to see detail that far away. Unlike Rowland who had better than 20/20  vision.

The  barracks wall of boxes , yes of course could have been stacked from 11:45. But those 3 boxes serving as a rifle rest could not been placed there before 12:20  cause BRW was there in the SN and the lower window was raised completely up if Rowland was observing  BRW “hanging out” the window.

[John Corbett]

No, of course it’s not Herculean lol ,  but it does take time especially if the shooter hasn’t yet selected which boxes he was going to use.

He had over 4 hours to do that.

 All I’ve ever read about the Bronson film is that it started at 12:25. If somebody has other information that disputes that time then by all means post it. That might resolve the issue.

The Bronson film briefly shows the Hertz Clock but I can't make out a time on it. Maybe somebody has a clearer copy. Let's say for the sake of argument it does say 12:25. So what. That leaves Oswald 5 minutes to stack the boxes. Not difficult at all.

 I can envision the shooter having stayed on the 6th floor after he spotted BRW  when the shooter was at SW window. And it can work if there’s a place to hide at the NE corner of 6th floor where the shooter could observe BRW down that east side aisle and observe BRW leave, walk down the aisle, turn leftward to go to elevator and get on the elevators and operate it to go down. That would take about 30 secs to traverse the distance ( about 175 ft)

The shooter then has only maybe 90 ft to traverse if he was hiding behind some boxes at the NE corner of the floor  to get to the SN  So it would not likely take longer than about 15 seconds

You're overthinking this. We KNOW three shots were fired from the sniper's nest. We have 3 spent shells found in the nest and the three employees one floor below who not only heard the shots, but heard the rifle being cycled and shells hitting the floor. That tells us that the shooter overcame any obstacles you have imagined. That holds true no matter who you believe fired the shots from the sniper's nest.

Then he has to select which boxes , stack them, orient them at that angle and place a box on the window ledge Then lower the window,and  position himself sitting on a box and keeping himself out of sight by start of Bronson film at 12:25. IDK what the fastest probable time is to complete the whole sequence But it likely would take at least another

Obviously, he was able to do that in time because he got off three shots after the limo turned on Elm St. The boxes were stacked by the window so obviously it was possible for Oswald to do that unless you want to argue he stacked the boxes after he fired the shots.

So totaling up it looks like to me that the shooter would need at least about 2 minutes  to complete the sequence. Therefore BRW has to leave from the window by 12:23 which is possible and as seen one last time the by Rowland.

The shooter got all those things done which pretty much renders your arguments moot.

Strange Roland ( or anyone else?) did not see any activity of the shooter in the window moving and stacking box on the window ledge and lowering the window.

Do you think the boxes got there by magic?

I see why the LNs prefer just to write off Rowland as a “ clown”. But I can’t do that. IMO the guy was telling what he saw and he had the TSBD clock in sight AS he observed  BRW. So his 12:15 time stamp is a valid one.

I have no idea where you are going with this line of thinking. The boxes got stacked which proves the person who stacked the boxes had the time to do it.