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Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1932 on: Today at 01:03:40 AM »
No offence John, but you are completely ignorant regarding the amount of evidence demonstrating a first shot at z222/z223.
Have a read through this thread to get yourself up to speed with the subject.

I've read through the arguments for a first shot strike and I don't find them the least bit compelling. You can make an argument for just about any scenario you want depending on the witnesses you choose to believe. I choose to believe the witnesses who are corroborated by the best witness available, Zapruder's camera.
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For instance, you hold up Connally and Bennett as "ample" proof that there was a missed first shot. At his website, Pat Speer compiled a list of 44 witnesses who report JFK reacting to the first shot as we see in the Z-film - hands flying up towards his throat, slumping to his left etc
Are you familiar with the concept of 'weight of evidence'?

44 witnesses? Out of how many? There are many different versions of the shooting but there is only one correct one. I've weighed the evidence which convinces me there was a missed first shot. I find it far more likely that 44 people didn't recognize the first shot for what it was than that JBC and Bennett imagined hearing a shot that never happened, especially when we can see JBC doing exactly what he said he did in reaction to the first shot and that was several seconds before JFK and JBC were hit.
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And just to clear up the worst of your cowardly misrepresentations - I have never claimed that my suspicions or assumptions are evidence of anything. If I am stating an assumption I will say so. Unlike you, I understand the difference between a fact and an assumption.
And no-one has said anything about a "positively" missed third shot.
Your deviousness reveals a lack of character.

Your assumption and suspicion were the only arguments you gave for a missed 3rd shot. Where is your evidence of that?
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How can you be so sure the back shot wasn't his aiming point and the headshot struck high?

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Do me a favour and don't ever respond to any of my posts. You're the worst kind of idiot and I really don't want to have to deal with you.  Thumb1:

If you don't want me to respond to your half-assed posts, don't make any.
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1933 on: Today at 01:23:23 AM »
If you don't want me to respond to your half-assed posts, don't make any.

I told you he was a jerk.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1934 on: Today at 01:49:05 AM »
My bad. I meant to say exited from below his right nipple. I've fixed it if you want to respond.
Sorry, John. I should have asked you first if that was a mistake.  In reading it over I can see that the rest fits with you intending to say “exited”. 

The key to understanding the second bullet is to understand why JBC felt such a forceful impact where the bullet entered. That impact requires the bullet to undergo a significant change in momentum at the point of impact.  The bullet didn’t stop there and it did not penetrate the fifth rib at the point of impact. That occurred farther along the rib. The bullet had lots of energy after that initial impact because it took out the last 10 cm of the rib driving bone shards into the lower right lung and then having enough energy to fracture the radius in several pieces.

So the momentum imparted by the bullet to the fifth rib did not result from a sudden loss in speed at the point of impact.  Rather the momentum transferred to the body at the point of impact was due to a sudden change in direction of the bullet at the point of impact. This means the bullet struck the fifth rib at much more than a shallow glance. It struck the fifth rib solidly at an angle much closer to the normal or perpendicular to the surface of the rib. The fact that the rib fractured farther up the rib close to the spine supports this forceful, more normal impact angle.