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Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1680 on: Yesterday at 03:22:02 PM »
Not theoretical.  That is exactly what witnesses said occurred: “ 'just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle” (Emmett Hudson).

I didn't know Emmett Hudson was timing the shooter.
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Most witnesses described the last two shots as being in rapid succession and several estimated the time between them to be no more than two seconds.

If those witnesses were correct, those two shots couldn't have been fired by Oswald. Some of these witnesses said they thought the last two shots sounded like they came one on top of the other. That doesn't fit your sill scenario of a Z270 shot followed by the Z313 head shot. The likelihood is that those witnesses heard two reports from the same shot. There are several possible explanations for hearing the muzzle blast and one other sound. It could have been and echo. It could have been the sound of the impact on JFK's skull. It could have been the sound a supersonic bullet will make when it passes near someone. I have personally experienced that third one. I have a neighbor who sometimes take target practice with his muzzle loading rifle. I have heard the double sound that rifle makes when he fires that rifle. A muzzle loader can't possibly fire two shots closely spaced. Therefore, it had to be two distinct sounds from the same shot.
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You prefer your reasoning. But your reasoning is not evidence.
 

Nor is yours. My reasoning actually makes sense.
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I prefer to base conclusions on evidence. Courts do too.
I would suggest it is ridiculous to suggest that your reasoning should supplant the evidence of 45+ witnesses who described the last two as being in rapid succession, real quick, etc.  Besides, reasoning could also work the other way: it makes sense that he would want to get the last shots off quickly as the car was getting farther away.

It doesn't matter if your reasoning is based on evidence if your reasoning is hair brained.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1681 on: Yesterday at 08:29:12 PM »
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I didn't know Emmett Hudson was timing the shooter.
Charles Brehm and Marrion Baker also offered the same opinon (London ABA trial - see Bugliosi at 492 and 494)
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If those witnesses were correct, those two shots couldn't have been fired by Oswald. Some of these witnesses said they thought the last two shots sounded like they came one on top of the other. That doesn't fit your sill scenario of a Z270 shot followed by the Z313 head shot.
Mary Woodward said that the sound of the second had not died out before the third shot sounded.  That may be what they were referring to as one on top of the other. The reverberation in Dealey plaza would have lasted more than 2 seconds given the distances between reflecting surfaces (Houston St buildings on the east, Post office on the south, railway berm and overpass on the south, west and north and the structures on the north part of DP as well as the TSBD on the north).


Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1682 on: Yesterday at 09:56:42 PM »
wCharles Brehm and Marrion Baker also offered the same opinon (London ABA trial - see Bugliosi at 492 and 494)

So were Brehm or Baker timing the shooting?
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Mary Woodward said that the sound of the second had not died out before the third shot sounded.
That pretty much shoots down your theory of JBC being shot at Z270. The sound of a gunshot doesn't last 2.35 seconds. What Woodward is describing is a double sound from a single shot.
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That may be what they were referring to as one on top of the other. The reverberation in Dealey plaza would have lasted more than 2 seconds given the distances between reflecting surfaces (Houston St buildings on the east, Post office on the south, railway berm and overpass on the south, west and north and the structures on the north part of DP as well as the TSBD on the north).

You pulled this one out of your ass. Sound travels at a bit over 1100 fps. None of the objects you mentioned were 1100 feet from the earwitnesses so no one would have been hearing an echo of a gunshot from 2.35 seconds earlier.
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