The First Shot

[John Corbett]

So you are saying that your spidey sense that Connally was referring to the turn at z164 as the turn to look at JFK even though he makes no attempt to look at JFK

Just how did you determine he was not trying to look at JFK when he turned.

even though Mary Woodward said that was before the first shot (along with a few dozen others).  You aren’t relying on the zfilm. You are relying on your spidey senses.  I prefer evidence.

I don't give a crap what Mary Woodward said unless you can establish what she said is correct. I'm not relying on my senses. I am relying on JBC's senses which are corrobrorated by the Z-film. I think JBC would know if he heard a shot before he felt the shot that hit him in the back.

You also have a strange view of what constitutes corroboration. Any independent evidence can provide corroboration.

The fact that it seems strange to you doesn't concern me in the least.

[Zeon Mason]

At Z255, although SS agents are looking back at the TSBD, there is one man in backseat of the car  looking forward and smiling What? 😳

[Andrew Mason]

Just how did you determine he was not trying to look at JFK when he turned.

Because his eyes are looking forward right and he knows that JFK is behind him:


If he was trying to see JFK he would turn his eyes toward JFK so that the light reflecting off JFK could enter through the pupils of his eyes.

I don't give a crap what Mary Woodward said unless you can establish what she said is correct. I'm not relying on my senses. I am relying on JBC's senses which are corrobrorated by the Z-film. I think JBC would know if he heard a shot before he felt the shot that hit him in the back.

Mary Woodward s corroborated by many other witnesses as to the time of the first shot being after z186.

[Andrew Mason]

Because his eyes are looking forward right and he knows that JFK is behind him:


If he was trying to see JFK he would turn his eyes toward JFK so that the light reflecting off JFK could enter through the pupils of his eyes.
Mary Woodward is corroborated by many other witnesses as to the time of the first shot being after z186.

[John Corbett]

JBC was a big man in a small seat and his movement was restricted when trying to make a normal turn. It was only after he received a severe gunshot wound that his severe gyrations in reaction to his wound turned him completely around in his seat.

As for Mary Woodward and all these other witnesses you site, the reason I have so little faith in them is because people only remember things well that they made a mental note of at the time. I see no reason to think Mary Woodward would have made a mental note of where JFK was at the time she heard the first shot. That's something she would have had to mentally reconstruct when asked about that later. At that point, she would have just been guessing. There's only one witness that didn't have that problem. Zapruder's camera. That is the witness I trust above all others. That is the witness I measure the credibility of all other witnesses against. If a human witness tells me one thing and the Z-film tells me something else I'm going with the Z-film every time.

[Andrew Mason]

JBC was a big man in a small seat and his movement was restricted when trying to make a normal turn. It was only after he received a severe gunshot wound that his severe gyrations in reaction to his wound turned him completely around in his seat.

He had no difficulty turning around before on Main St. to speak with JFK.  Besides, the seat didn't prevent him from turning his head.  The normal range of motion for rotation of the head is between 70 and 90 degrees.  JBC's head is practically square to this shoulders.

As for Mary Woodward and all these other witnesses you site, the reason I have so little faith in them is because people only remember things well that they made a mental note of at the time. I see no reason to think Mary Woodward would have made a mental note of where JFK was at the time she heard the first shot. That's something she would have had to mentally reconstruct when asked about that later. At that point, she would have just been guessing. There's only one witness that didn't have that problem. Zapruder's camera. That is the witness I trust above all others. That is the witness I measure the credibility of all other witnesses against. If a human witness tells me one thing and the Z-film tells me something else I'm going with the Z-film every time.

You don't think that she would remember that JFK's turn in her direction and his smile and wave occurred just after her cheer? Or that it was before that first "horrible ear-shattering noise"?  She mentioned it in her story she wrote as soon as she got back to the office that afternoon.  She said that both he and Jackie turned and smiled and waved at them just after she shouted to them. She wrote that they were the last people the President ever acknowledged because as his car passed by them, he turned forward and the first horrible ear-shattering noise sounded.

We can see that the zfilm matches perfectly with what she described seeing. JFK turns from looking forward left to looking sharp right beginning at about z160. Starting at z172 JFK raises his right hand to wave in the direction of Woodward and her friends and Jackie starts turning from looking left to forward right at the same time. So we know that she accurately remembered JFK  acknowledging them with his smile and wave.  She just got mixed up thinking that it was before the first shot?

[John Corbett]

He had no difficulty turning around before on Main St. to speak with JFK.  Besides, the seat didn't prevent him from turning his head.  The normal range of motion for rotation of the head is between 70 and 90 degrees.  JBC's head is practically square to this shoulders.
You don't think that she would remember that JFK's turn in her direction and his smile and wave occurred just after her cheer? Or that it was before that first "horrible ear-shattering noise"?  She mentioned it in her story she wrote as soon as she got back to the office that afternoon.  She said that both he and Jackie turned and smiled and waved at them just after she shouted to them. She wrote that they were the last people the President ever acknowledged because as his car passed by them, he turned forward and the first horrible ear-shattering noise sounded.

We can see that the zfilm matches perfectly with what she described seeing. JFK turns from looking forward left to looking sharp right beginning at about z160.

Starting at z172 JFK raises his right hand to wave in the direction of Woodward and her friends and Jackie starts turning from looking left to forward right at the same time. So we know that she accurately remembered JFK  acknowledging them with his smile and wave.  She just got mixed up thinking that it was before the first shot?

This is called impeaching your own witness. After telling us how accurately Woodward remembered exactly what happened, now you tell us she got mixed up. There's a compelling argument. I've never disputed that JFK turned to Woodward and friends. What is in dispute is when that happened in relation to the first shot. If she was mixed up, how can you rely on her to determine when the first shot was fired. JBC wasn't mixed up at all. He knew he heard a shot before the one that hit him which happened about Z222. Your  theory he wasn't hit until about Z270 was one of the goofiest things I've ever read regarding the JFKA. It's exceeded only by Benjamin Cole's claim that JBC wasn't hit until Z295. What the hell are you two looking at when you watch the Z-film?