The First Shot

[Andrew Mason]

Why would that be necessary in order to look away from the limo and back in the general direction of the TSBD?

She is running and her shoulders are square to the direction she is running. So if her head is turned 90 degrees, her face is looking straight across Elm St. and that would be right at the limo. Here is Tyler's animation at z144.3 which is the closest I could get to z145:


I have no idea how to tell whether she is looking at the TSBD, the car, the road, the sidewalk across the street, or something else. All I can say is that her hood is turned to the right about 90 degrees to her shoulders and the President's car is directly in the sightline if she was looking in the direction her hood is facing.  I don't know why she would not be looking at the occupants of the President's car.

Some witnesses said it sounded muffled (which makes sense given the fact that it was a steeply-downward-angled shot which required Oswald's having the muzzle of his short-rifle inside the building).

Since the occupants of the VP car said that their car had completed the turn and was going toward the Triple Overpass, and since the VP Security car occupants said that they were just about to complete the turn onto Elm (eg. "We turned off of Houston Street onto Elm
Street and that was when I heard the first shot" -Joe Rich 18H800; "our car had just made the left-hand turn from Houston onto Elm St. and was right along side the Texas School Book Depository" - Clifton Carter 7H474), and since Croft said the the first shot was after his z161 photo and Betzner said it was after his z186 photo, and Mary Woodward said it was after JFK began his last wave as they passed by where she was standing (at the lamp post opposite JFK at about z192), ALL OF THESE PEOPLE would have to be COMPLETELY MISTAKEN IN THE SAME WAY but for different reasons.  What could have caused that?  How can that possibly happen?

Why did she snap her head to her left and finally start looking at the limo around Z-214?

She had seen the pigeons fly from the roof of the TSBD by then.  Why would she continue looking at the TSBD?  Another look toward the President doesn't seem unreasonable.

[Andrew Mason]

Regardless, here's a question for you:

Do you think Robert Croft was looking at Jackie in Z-145?

If so, why is Rosemary Willis' head turned farther to the right than his?

It looks to me like Croft is looking through his camera viewfinder and is panning the camera to his left as the car is moving. Phil Willis is standing on the street and appears to be facing the toward the limo.  I don't see any difference between the direction his head is facing and the direction Rosemary is facing.  In fact, I would suggest that her father is blocking part of her view of the car.

[Tom Graves]

It looks to me like Croft is looking through his camera viewfinder and is panning the camera to his left as the car is moving. Phil Willis is standing on the street and appears to be facing the toward the limo.  I don't see any difference between the direction his head is facing and the direction Rosemary is facing.  In fact, I would suggest that her father is blocking part of her view of the car.

I believe Rosemary Willis' head is turned farther to the right in Z-145 than her father's.


Regardless:

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

I believe JFK and JBC were struck from behind by CE-399 at some point between Z-199 and Z-222.

I believe the third and final shot hit JFK in the back of the head in Z-313.


What do you believe?

[Dan O'meara]

I believe Rosemary Willis' head is turned farther to the right in Z-145 than her father's.


Regardless:

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

I believe JFK and JBC were struck by CE-399 at some point between Z-199 and Z-222.

I believe the third and final shot hit JFK in the back of the head in Z-313.


What do you believe?

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

Even after the mountain of evidence you've seen demonstrating beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are incorrect on this matter?
Even after the Roselle/Scearce 'study' you swallowed down hook, line and sinker, has been debunked?
Do you have any idea how clueless you look?
Does evidence mean nothing to you?
Or Reason, or Logic, or Common Sense?

[Tom Graves]

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

Even after the mountain of evidence you've seen demonstrating beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are incorrect on this matter?
Even after the Roselle/Scearce 'study' you swallowed down hook, line and sinker, has been debunked?
Do you have any idea how clueless you look?
Does evidence mean nothing to you?
Or Reason, or Logic, or Common Sense?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Who asked you?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Who asked you?

-- Tom

Just trying to stop you making such a tool of yourself, Thomas.
If I don't, who will?

[Tom Graves]

Just trying to stop you making such a tool of yourself, Thomas. If I don't, who will?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Aren't you going to call me a liar, again, so you can get your stinkin' you-know-what kicked off the forum?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Aren't you going to call me a liar, again, so you can get your stinkin' you-know-what kicked off the forum?

-- Tom

Aww, you wouldn't do that to me, would you Thomas?
Then we wouldn't have such quality threads as the one you are presently trolling