The First Shot

[Royell Storing]

  The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different Ammo + Different Guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK Exploding Head.

[Tom Graves]

The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different ammo + different guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK exploding head.

Dear Comrade Storing,

JFK's head (like yours except his had a rational brain) was a comprised-of-bone sphere, and when the high-velocity bullet penetrated its thickest part in the lower-rear, said bullet fragmented into at least three largish pieces. These fragments built up so much pressure inside his skull as they travelled through his brain that it caused fractures in his skull, and as a result much of the right side of his brain was forcefully expelled through the weakened top-right section.

Which of course was a very, very different result from that caused by the only other bullet that passed through either man: CE-399 when it passed through JFK's and JBC's chests and hit only one bone in the process: JBC's 5th rib.

-- Tom

[Andrew Mason]

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Which of course was a very, very different result from that caused by the only other bullet that passed through either man: CE-399 when it passed through JFK's and JBC's chests and hit only one bone in the process: JBC's 5th rib.

Are you suggesting that it did not strike JBC's right radius and deposited small flecks of lead in the wound and made a jagged tear in his french cuff? 

And it is not as if the impact with the rib was minor. JBC said it felt like someone had given him a hard punch to the back.  That indicates a sudden change in momentum (sudden change in speed or direction or both).  It contacted the fifth rib in the right armpit with enough force to bend the rib causing a fracture farther up the rib toward the spine (see: Dr. Shaw interview, 1 HSCA 272; Ex. F-71) and then penetrated and destroyed the last 10 cm of that rib driving shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung.

[Tom Graves]

Are you suggesting that it did not strike JBC's right radius and deposited small flecks of lead in the wound and made a jagged tear in his french cuff? And it is not as if the impact with the rib was minor. JBC said it felt like someone had given him a hard punch to the back.  That indicates a sudden change in momentum (sudden change in speed or direction or both).  It contacted the fifth rib in the right armpit with enough force to bend the rib causing a fracture farther up the rib toward the spine (see: Dr. Shaw interview, 1 HSCA 272; Ex. F-71) and then penetrated and destroyed the last 10 cm of that rib driving shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung.

Why do you find it hard to believe that JBC has already been hit in Z-230?

In which Zapruder frame do you think JBC was hit?

[Andrew Mason]

Why do you find it hard to believe that JBC has already been hit in Z-230?

In which Zapruder frame do you think JBC was hit?

The evidence suggests he was hit by two bullets.
The evidence shows that the missile that struck his thigh and did this:


was likely not the same missile that did this:


The position of JBC at the time of the third shot at z313 and the trajectory of his wounds (along the direction of the right femur and from right armpit to below right nipple) eliminates JBC being hit that shot.  So I conclude that he was hit on the first two shots.

The evidence establishes that there was a shorter space between the second and third shots and a longer pause after the first.  The evidence also establishes that the first shot was after z186.  It is difficult to pinpoint but I put it around z193, which is just as JFK clears the last part of the oak tree branch as seen from the SN. At that point, the right to left trajectory from the SN through JFK's midline goes on to the left side of JBC, nowhere near his right armpit.

The shot pattern puts the second shot a perceptible amount of time after the midpoint (313+193)/2=z253.  This means it was after Altgens' #6 photo taken at z254-255.  Hickey is still turned around looking rearward and he said he was turned forward looking at JFK at the time of the last two shots.  Greer said he turned around immediately after (almost simultaneously) the second shot. He begins that turn just before z281.  There is also distinct forward motion of JBC beginning at z271-272.  Hickey also said that he saw the hair on the right side of JFK's head fly forward at the time of the second shot.  That hair flies forward at z273-276.  So I put the second shot - the one that struck JBC in the right armpit, exited under his right nipple then struck the back of his right radius which is positioned directly in the exit path - at z271-272.  That is the shot on which Tague said he was struck. That is also the shot that Greer said gave a concussion effect as if it struck something in the car. His right ear was a few inches from the damaged windshield frame.

So, to answer your first question, I do agree that JBC had been shot by z230. But only in the thigh. 

[Jarrett Smith]

The evidence suggests he was hit by two bullets.
The evidence shows that the missile that struck his thigh and did this:


was likely not the same missile that did this:


The position of JBC at the time of the third shot at z313 and the trajectory of his wounds (along the direction of the right femur and from right armpit to below right nipple) eliminates JBC being hit that shot.  So I conclude that he was hit on the first two shots.

The evidence establishes that there was a shorter space between the second and third shots and a longer pause after the first.  The evidence also establishes that the first shot was after z186.  It is difficult to pinpoint but I put it around z193, which is just as JFK clears the last part of the oak tree branch as seen from the SN. At that point, the right to left trajectory from the SN through JFK's midline goes on to the left side of JBC, nowhere near his right armpit.

The shot pattern puts the second shot a perceptible amount of time after the midpoint (313+193)/2=z253.  This means it was after Altgens' #6 photo taken at z254-255.  Hickey is still turned around looking rearward and he said he was turned forward looking at JFK at the time of the last two shots.  Greer said he turned around immediately after (almost simultaneously) the second shot. He begins that turn just before z281.  There is also distinct forward motion of JBC beginning at z271-272.  Hickey also said that he saw the hair on the right side of JFK's head fly forward at the time of the second shot.  That hair flies forward at z273-276.  So I put the second shot - the one that struck JBC in the right armpit, exited under his right nipple then struck the back of his right radius which is positioned directly in the exit path - at z271-272.  That is the shot on which Tague said he was struck. That is also the shot that Greer said gave a concussion effect as if it struck something in the car. His right ear was a few inches from the damaged windshield frame.

So, to answer your first question, I do agree that JBC had been shot by z230. But only in the thigh.

He was hit in the back by the second Oswald shot at Z-224. It's clear as crystal on the Z film.

[Tom Graves]

Connally was hit in the back by the second Oswald shot at Z-224. It's clear as crystal on the Z film.

JFK and JBC were both hit by CE-399, and perhaps as early as Z-199.

[Zeon Mason]

Hickey isn’t looking BACK at TSBD until some time AFTER Z207.

Nor are the other SS agents in the follow up car.

It’s certain they all have turned ( except Clint Hill) to look back at TSBD at Z255 (Altgens 6 photo).

If Andrew’s Z190 - Z195 1st shot theory is the correct one, then Clint Hill not starting  to jump from the car until Z255 in Altgens photo 6 would mean it took him  about 3 secs to react after HEARING the Z190ish shot.

But if there is a 1.5 sec delay of JFK reacting to the Z190 ish shot then Clint Hill who had his eyes focused on JFK would not SEE the effect of the Z190 shot on JFK until Z220-z224 thus Hill reacted to SEEING  the effect at Z224 in only about 1.5 secs.

But can it be established ( as Andrew proposed) that JFK at Z223-224 has already been hit 1.5 secs earlier and that his lurch forward and hands moving up AT Z223 is a delayed bodily reaction?

Can it be established from Clint Hills WC testimony (and or subsequent interviews years later) that he did NOT experience simultaneously hearing the 1st shot with seeing the effect of the shot causing JFKs lurch forward and hands grabbing his throat?