The First Shot

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #448 on: January 04, 2021, 01:31:29 AM »
Once you understand that Connaly acted in total self preservation mode - and, yes, I would have too-  then you should realize he had a log of "splainin" to do.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #449 on: January 04, 2021, 01:58:03 AM »
Once you understand that Connaly acted in total self preservation mode - and, yes, I would have too-  then you should realize he had a log of "splainin" to do.

 a log of "splainin"

Yet another absolutely classic contribution to the debate.
Anyone shot through the abdomen goes into self-preservation mode. What else are they supposed to do?
Just for kicks, can you explain what your comment has to do with the debate at the moment?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #450 on: January 04, 2021, 02:56:08 AM »
Elsewhere in this thread I've demonstrated that JFK's first genuine reaction to being hit occurs at z225
To imagine that it would take over one and a half seconds to react to such a trauma is beyond unrealistic.
It is an insurmountable problem for a hit at z195
You can tell he is not reacting at z223 or z222 or z221? Or z207? By z207 he has turned from facing right and waving with his right hand to facing forward and with his right hand down.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #451 on: January 04, 2021, 03:08:54 AM »
You can tell he is not reacting at z223 or z222 or z221? Or z207?

Yes. JFK's reaction to being shot is the rapid movement of his hands towards his throat. This reaction begins at z225

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By z207 he has turned from facing right and waving with his right hand to facing forward and with his right hand down.

So?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #452 on: January 04, 2021, 04:36:34 AM »
Yes. JFK's reaction to being shot is the rapid movement of his hands towards his throat. This reaction begins at z225

So?
Why could the changes between  z193 and z207 not be the beginning of a reaction?  Did he react to pain? Or did he react to loss of function ie breathing? How do you know that his facial  expression in z225 is the beginning of a reaction? You can't see his facial expression in the 25 frames before then.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #453 on: January 04, 2021, 06:24:06 AM »
Like I said, it’s nothing but a Rorschach test.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #454 on: January 04, 2021, 12:30:54 PM »
Why could the changes between  z193 and z207 not be the beginning of a reaction?  Did he react to pain? Or did he react to loss of function ie breathing?

JFK is shot through the throat
He reacts to being shot through the throat by grabbing for his throat
There is nothing between z193 and z207 that even suggests he's been hit
No radical reaction to a traumatic stimulus
Nothing that couldn't be interpreted as perfectly ordinary
JFK turns, smiles and waves.
He begins to finish his wave and turns more forward.
Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
From z225 onwards his moves can certainly be considered anything other than perfectly ordinary.
There is nothing between z193 and z207 that suggests JFK has been shot.
The only reason to argue there is such reactions is to support a a preconceived scenario

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How do you know that his facial  expression in z225 is the beginning of a reaction? You can't see his facial expression in the 25 frames before then.

Something you do quite often is introduce Strawmen that you can then argue against
Here you seem to be arguing against my point that JFK's facial expressions are crucial to understanding when he was shot and are a fundamental part of my argument.
But I've not mentioned JFK's facial reactions once.
Please point to where I've argued using JFK's facial expressions.
Why are you insinuating that I've used JFK's facial expressions to argue when he was shot when I've not?