The First Shot

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Why did the evil, evil bad guys create such a strangely deformed bullet?

How did the evil, evil bad guys create such a strangely deformed bullet?

And how many evil, evil bad guys were involved in the assassination and or it's "ongoing cover up ," anyway?

Oodles and gobs, or just a few?

--Tom

Someone let lil' Tommy out of his pen.
In your tiny mind CE399 somehow represents a bullet that smashed one of the most dense, hardest bones in the body.
EVERY SINGLE TEST done with a bullet fired into this bone deformed the bullet to a massive extent, barely recognisable from its original shape.
But your tiny, tiny brain believes uttering the chant "tumbling" somehow, in some insane version of reality, makes things alright.

Let's be clear about one thing...Frazier's manipulation of the ballistic evidence wasn't part of some 'pre-assassination' conspiracy.
He was being directly instructed from Hoover to make the Oswald-Was-The-Lone Assassin decree a reality.

This is why CE399 only appears in the Washington labs.
It's why the bullet that fell to the operating floor from JBC's stretcher became the fragments labelled Q9 in the Washington labs.

Here's an experiment for your lil' brain Tommy - name a single piece of ballistic evidence that is identified as being from Oswald's rifle that has a remotely recognisable chain of custody.

 

[John Corbett]

Someone let lil' Tommy out of his pen.
In your tiny mind CE399 somehow represents a bullet that smashed one of the most dense, hardest bones in the body.
EVERY SINGLE TEST done with a bullet fired into this bone deformed the bullet to a massive extent, barely recognisable from its original shape.
But your tiny, tiny brain believes uttering the chant "tumbling" somehow, in some insane version of reality, makes things alright.

Let's be clear about one thing...Frazier's manipulation of the ballistic evidence wasn't part of some 'pre-assassination' conspiracy.
He was being directly instructed from Hoover to make the Oswald-Was-The-Lone Assassin decree a reality.

This is why CE399 only appears in the Washington labs.
It's why the bullet that fell to the operating floor from JBC's stretcher became the fragments labelled Q9 in the Washington labs.

Here's an experiment for your lil' brain Tommy - name a single piece of ballistic evidence that is identified as being from Oswald's rifle that has a remotely recognisable chain of custody.

 

Oh, goody. The evidence doesn't jibe with Danny Boy's beliefs so obviously it must be the evidence that's faulty.

[Dan O'meara]

Oh, goody. The evidence doesn't jibe with Danny Boy's beliefs so obviously it must be the evidence that's faulty.

What evidence?
What evidence is there that CE399 was found at Parkland?

[John Corbett]

Ermmm... I'm the one who was talking about the two unrecorded bullet fragments supposedly recovered from the limo by an unknown agent at an unknown time that had nothing to do with a legitimate examination of the limo crime scene.

I'M THE ONE TELLING YOU ABOUT IT!!

You're full of shit.

You are the one going on about another bullet that was recovered.

It was dumbass. It was recovered in pieces on the floor of the limo.

Clearly you are talking sh!t, as usual. You have been called out on it and are now trying to make it look as though you weren't talking complete sh!t.
Are you so ignorant as to try to pretend there was another bullet 'recovered'??
Apparently so.
Or maybe you don't understand the difference between a bullet and multiple bullet fragments.

A recovered fragmented bullet is still a bullet. Is that too hard for your pea brain to comprehend?

Just to try to cut through John's utter ignorance of this case...:
There is ZERO EVIDENCE CE399 was found at Parkland.

You're a damn liar.

2 bullet fragments that have ZERO PROVENANCE were, apparently, handed over to the same FBI lab that faked the appearance of CE399.
Lots of dubious ballistic shenanigans appear to have gone on at the Washington labs, including the miracuolus appearance of CE399 and Q9.

As is stand practice for CTs when the evidence doesn't jibe with your beliefs, you question the evidence instead of your FUBAR beliefs.

Is it possible the FBI were faking ballistic evidence?

Please provide us the evidence that supports that suggestion.

Is it possible that Hoover had already determined the outcome of the investigation before it had even begun?

Hoover was possibly the most clueless person the FBI regarding the JFKA. Apparently whatever was being passed up the chain of command was getting garbled before it got to him. His briefings for LBJ sounded like kid trying to fake his way through a book report for a book he hadn't read.

Is it possible the WC Sham was an extension of the FBI's pre-determined 'investigation'?

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Is it possible you're loony? No, it's  certainty.

[Tom Graves]

Someone let lil' Tommy out of his pen.
In your tiny mind CE399 somehow represents a bullet that smashed one of the most dense, hardest bones in the body.
EVERY SINGLE TEST done with a bullet fired into this bone deformed the bullet to a massive extent, barely recognisable from its original shape.
But your tiny, tiny brain believes uttering the chant "tumbling" somehow, in some insane version of reality, makes things alright.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

In "Cold Case: JFK," the Haags showed that that kind of bullet fired from that kind of rifle has a tendency to start yawing/tumbling when it exits something soft, like a block of ballistics gel or a human neck.

Which would probably explain why the entrance wound in JBC's back was oblong in shape, why his fifth rib was smashed the way it was, why the exit wound in his chest was so large, why JBC's lapel and tie flapped, how fibers from his jacket were carried by the rear end of CE-399 into his wrist wound, and how his radial bone was smashed the way it was.

In short, CE-399 was deformed so strangely because it hit JBC's rib sideways and was tumbling/twirling when it smashed his radial bone.

If the guys at the arsenal had fired their test bullets so that they passed through a block of ballistics gel or a person's neck before hitting a cadaver's wrist, they might have ended up with the same result -- a bullet whose nose was pristine, but whose rear 1/3 was flattened on one side and which had lost some of its lead core out of its rear-end.

But even if they fire a thousand bullets like that, ending up with a bullet that looks like CE-399 isn't guaranteed, because it's impossible to replicate the exact deformation experienced by a bullet when it passes through something soft (e.g., JFK's neck) and then starts yawing and penetrates something else (e.g., JBC's upper torso) and smashes something sideways (e.g., JBC's 5th rib) and exits that something else (JBC's torso) and then penetrates something else (e.g., JBC's wrist) and smashes something hard (e.g., JBC's radial bone) while travelling initially about 2100 feet-per-second.

D'oh

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

You're full of shit.
It was dumbass. It was recovered in pieces on the floor of the limo.
A recovered fragmented bullet is still a bullet. Is that too hard for your pea brain to comprehend?
You're a damn liar.
As is stand practice for CTs when the evidence doesn't jibe with your beliefs, you question the evidence instead of your FUBAR beliefs. Please provide us the evidence that supports that suggestion. Hoover was possibly the most clueless person the FBI regarding the JFKA. Apparently whatever was being passed up the chain of command was getting garbled before it got to him. His briefings for LBJ sounded like kid trying to fake his way through a book report for a book he hadn't read.

Is it possible you're loony? No, it's  certainty.

Remind us all again, what is the evidence CE399 was found at Parkland?
Remind us all again of the chain of custody for the bullet fragments found in the limo.

And, just to state the obvious, even to a cretin such as yourself, various bullet fragments DO NOT constitute a single bullet.

And your truly moronic understanding of Hoover's influence over the FBI is unbelievable.
Hoover WAS the FBI. End of story. What he said was gospel.
Your attempt to make him look like some kind of inept figurehead shows your utter ignorance regarding, not just this case, but American history in general.

[Tom Graves]

Your attempt to make J. Edgar Hoover look like some kind of inept figurehead shows your utter ignorance regarding, not just this case, but American history in general.

J. Edgar Hoover was duped by many Soviet intelligence agents over the years, including by GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov for one year (1962), by KGB Major Aleksey Kulak for fifteen years (1962 - 1977), by Yuri Nosenko from February 1964, on, by CIA officers Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) and Leonard V. McCoy (look him up) for who-knows-how-long, by, IMHO, "FBI agents" SOLO (Morris and Jack Childs), probably by that former Nazi, former POW, former Communist German National crop-duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, Guenter Heinz Schulz (TUMBLEWEED / AEBURBLE; look him up) who was instrumental in convincing the CIA and the FBI that Oswald had met with the KGB's alleged Western Hemisphere chief of assassinations and sabotage, Valery Kostikov, in Mexico City in September 1963, and . . . gasp . . . maybe even by James McCord of Watergate notoriety.