The First Shot

[Tom Graves]

Not really that messed up. All he would have been forgetting was looking to his left towards Nellie. And frankly I do not believe he has ever said that he did look towards her. He still could have been hit around Z223 or Z224 when he began another turn to his left.

I've edited the last part of my post, so please re-read it.

[Charles Collins]

I've edited the last part of my post, so please re-read it.

You asked me what I thought (my opinion). I have given you my current thoughts. I do not ask you or anyone else to agree with my opinions. If I am the only person who ever believes these things, that is fine with me. I also have evolving opinions as I go along and find more evidence. So these opinions are definitely subject to change. I am not locked into any specific scenarios. I try to keep an open mind about everything.

Regarding your latest revision of your response, I suggest that when we view the Zapruder film at normal speed (real time) we can see how fast these things actually happened. In other words, the amount of time (aka: frames) you are concerned about elapsing is relatively very little real time to form thoughts and react.

[Andrew Mason]

Not really that messed up. All he would have been forgetting was looking to his left towards Nellie. And frankly I do not believe he has ever said that he did look towards her. He still could have been hit around Z223 or Z224 when he began another turn to his left.

We should rename this thread “A Rorschach test approach:  reading head turns to solve the JFK shot sequence.”

To prefer this approach and ignore large bodies of actual evidence as to when the first shot occurred is difficult to understand.

[Tom Graves]

We should rename this thread “A Rorschach test approach:  reading head turns to solve the JFK shot sequence.”

To prefer this approach and ignore large bodies of actual evidence as to when the first shot occurred is difficult to understand.

Because it's a scientific fact that it takes most people about a second to consciously react to an unexpected loud sound, and because photos and films, unlike human beings, don't tend to have faulty memories of sudden and traumatic events.

[Andrew Mason]

Because it's a scientific fact that it takes most people about a second to consciously react to an unexpected loud sound, and because photos and films, unlike human beings, don't tend to have faulty memories of sudden and traumatic events.

What scientific studies of witnesses have shown a significant decline in accuracy when witnessing sudden or traumatic events?  And how does a decline in accuracy explain not a single person recalling an early missed shot yet many all recalling a first non-missed shot with similar observations of the effects?

[Royell Storing]

You asked me what I thought (my opinion). I have given you my current thoughts. I do not ask you or anyone else to agree with my opinions. If I am the only person who ever believes these things, that is fine with me. I also have evolving opinions as I go along and find more evidence. So these opinions are definitely subject to change. I am not locked into any specific scenarios. I try to keep an open mind about everything.

Regarding your latest revision of your response, I suggest that when we view the Zapruder film at normal speed (real time) we can see how fast these things actually happened. In other words, the amount of time (aka: frames) you are concerned about elapsing is relatively very little real time to form thoughts and react.

   You make an excellent point with respect to viewing the Zapruder Film at real speed. People look at the Z Film frame-by-frame and lose track of how quickly everything happened. Basically, the frame-by-frame viewer loses "context".

[Royell Storing]

if you're correct about Connally's turning to his right to try to catch a glimpse of JFK in the corner of his eye for such a brief period of time in the mid-140s, it seems strange to me that he would remember that but neither remember turning to his left to check on Nellie right after that, nor turning far to his right, again (and for a much longer time) at Z-170, and for failing to remember that so much time had elapsed (and so many turns had been made) between his original turn to his right in the mid-140s and getting hit by CE-399 around Z-222.

In other words, if your're right, then Connally's recollections of the tragic event were even more messed up than I realized.

   Please tell us more, Dr.