The First Shot

[Zeon Mason]

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Hey, Andrew, if that’s your model, could you add a string running from the Daltex bldg 3rd floor window ( the one with the lower left corner dark spot = hole/ broken out glass?) to see how close it intersects with Rosemary Willis  at z190-Z195?

I’m considering a suppressed 1st shot at Z190 from Daltex 3rd floor because that’s  the floor where Braden ( the mafia guy) was seen carrying a briefcase shortly before the JFK limo arrived to Houston st.. Jim Braden had no alibi since his parole office did not verify a meeting that Braden claimed he was at.

John Mytton (the LN expert)  will probably poo poo the idea of that dark spot in the lower left corner of the Daltex 3rd story window as being just  a mirage via using his stereo flip flopping imagery analysis.

Non the less,  could it be a hole? just big enough for a shooter with suppressed short barrel rifle ( which when disassembled fits in a briefcase) to shoot a suppressed subsonic round intended to blow out the left rear tire of the JFK limo ,slowing it down and or stopping it momentarily, thus allowing more accurate fire from the TSBD shooter?

The reason I’m suggesting a suppressed subsonic shot is because it’s really only Rosemary Willis who is turning her head suddenly to look back at TSBD at about Z200 approx.

Imo , if it was loud shot from TSBD at Z190 then should not trained professionals like SS agents be reacting just as quickly as Willis did at Z 190-Z200? By  turning their heads also?

[Royell Storing]

To determine where JFK was when he was between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign one needs to actually plot the sight line on a map of Dealey Plaza:



You can see that this puts JFK just past the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign, which is where Moore put him and where JFK was when he had just cleared the oak tree branches:



which is also where the Warren Commission investigators had initially determined the first shot had occurred:

   Your understanding of, "just PAST the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign....", is much different than mine. Not to mention that the "lamp post" and the "Thornton Sign", were Not in line. In my opinion this is exactly why the Thornton sign was Removed and the lamp post was Moved. Same goes for the "wide open" Huge Gates attached to the TSBD, along with the TSBD front door Landing that Prayer Man stood on. Dealey Plaza has been transformed into a "Where's Waldo" conundrum.   

[Andrew Mason]

Clearly, the first show was the missed shot because Governor Connally head the first and 3rd shots.  He stated this in his own words. He didn't hear the 2nd shot which hit both he and President Kennedy.

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

[Tom Graves]

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

The "evidence" as articulated by startled-and-traumatized people?

[Royell Storing]

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

   You are supposed to "follow the evidence". NOT comprise a scenario that Makes It Fit. If legit evidence does not fit, you have a serious problem. The 1 shooter, 3 total shots from the sniper's nest, just does Not work. Never has.

[Tom Graves]

The 1 shooter, 3 total shots from the sniper's nest, just does not work.

Dear Comrade Storing,

You need to realize that former Marine sharpshooter Oswald fired all three shots in 10.2 seconds, and that his first, missing-everything, shot was at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 after a 17-second film-saving pause.

-- Tom

[Andrew Mason]

Why Linda Willis, what makes her so special. Why not Jean Newman or the Chisms?

Linda Willis, Phil Willis,  Betzner, VP car and VP security car occupants, Mary Woodward provide evidence that allows one to pinpoint or at least bracket a specific location.

John Chism brackets JFK’s last right head turn and wave as being before the first shot.  He said “And just as he got just about in front of me he turned and waved at the crowd on this side of the street, the right side; at this point I heard what sounded like one shot”. He then described JFK reacting and his head leaning to the left.  That puts the first shot anywhere from about Z170 to sometime before JFK reappears at z224. Faye Chism is not clear.

Jean Newman says the first shot occurred just after JFK passed by her. She was to the east of the Stemmons sign.  Where exactly that puts the first shot depends on how she defined the point where JFK had passed her, but it dies indicate a first shot around the z200-220 mark.