The First Shot

[Tom Graves]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

It's funny how Rosemary Willis is STILL not looking at JFK and Jackie in Z-207, but is STILL looking back towards that doggone TSBD!

I wonder why the heck THAT is?

Any ideas, danny BOY o'meara?

(LOL!)

Regardless, you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.)

Nice spin job, danny BOY o'meara.

The thing is, Bennett said he looked at the limo after he heard the sound of what seemed to be a firecracker. Since JFK's assistant, Dave Powers, was sitting in front of him on the jump seat, Bennett had to lean far to his right to see around him. That's exactly what we see him (or Powers?) doing as early as Z-144 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z144.jpg and as late as Z-196 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z196.jpg , which is interesting because HSCA photo expert Cecil Kirk said in the mock trial that the fact that the right arm of JFK, who had just finished waving to some people on his right, is extended straight out, upward and to his left in Z-199 indicated to him that JFK had just been shot.

Also, Bennett didn't say he saw blood coming from JFK's back -- he said he saw a bullet strike him in the back.

Brian Roselle may have been actively looking for photographic evidence of an early, missing-everything shot.

"Good on him," because he sure found it: SEVEN prime witnesses (FIVE of whom were passengers in the limo, and two of whom were nearby) whose rapid, conscious head movements in response to hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything shot at "Z-124" were recorded on film as being within half-a-second of each other.

You quoted George Hickey. I've inserted the part he was evidently too embarrassed to include:

"I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker [that] exploded to the right and rear. [About five seconds after leaning over and barfing on the pavement,] I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything."


-- Tom

PS I reiterate: Knock yourself out with your litany of virtually worthless eyewitness / earwitness "testimony" regarding what oodles and gobs of startled and traumatized people allegedly saw and heard in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza sixty-two years ago today.

[Jack Nessan]

44 is just a partial list, there are many key witnesses, 73 or more, stating two shots total or the second shot was the headshot.

Two shot witnesses

 A Zapruder, Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, Bonnie Ray Williams, Brennan, SA Greer, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix

[Tom Graves]

44 is just a partial list, there are many key witnesses, 73 or more, stating two shots total or the second shot was the headshot.

Two shot witnesses

 A Zapruder, Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, Bonnie Ray Williams, Brennan, SA Greer, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix

If what you say is true, it just shows how many people mistakenly thought Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124" was a firecracker, a backfire, a tire blowout, a distant thunder clap, or a last call for alcohol at The Cellar in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza, and/or how startled and traumatized they were by the whole ordeal.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

It's funny how Rosemary Willis is STILL not looking at JFK and Jackie in Z-207, but is STILL looking back towards that doggone TSBD!

I wonder why the heck THAT is?

Any ideas, danny BOY o'meara?

(LOL!)

You don't have a clue what she's looking at.
as you've done with all your "prime witnesses" ( ) you have decided for yourself what they are doing even when their own testimony utterly refutes your sad interpretation.
You are no longer a JFKA researcher. You're just some sad kind of troll, completely uninterested with the truth of the matter.

Regardless, you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.)

Nice spin job, danny BOY o'meara.

You're a liar.
I didn't post any such thing.
Keep your lies to yourself. They have no place on this forum.

The thing is, Bennett said he looked at the limo after he heard the sound of what seemed to be a firecracker. Since JFK's assistant, Dave Powers, was sitting in front of him on the jump seat, Bennett had to lean far to his right to see around him. That's exactly what we see him (or Powers?) doing as early as Z-144 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z144.jpg and as late as Z-196 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z196.jpg , which is interesting because HSCA photo expert Cecil Kirk said in the mock trial that the fact that the right arm of JFK, who had just finished waving to some people on his right, is extended straight out, upward and to his left in Z-199 indicated to him that JFK had just been shot.

That's exactly what we see him (or Powers?) doing as early as Z-144

 
You don't even know who is who in the Z-film!!
Is it possible for you to make a bigger idiot of yourself? Seriously?

Brian Roselle may have been actively looking for photographic evidence of an early, missing-everything shot.

"Good on him," because he sure found it: SEVEN prime witnesses (FIVE of whom were passengers in the limo, and two of whom were nearby) whose rapid, conscious head movements in response to hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything shot at "Z-124" were recorded on film as being within half-a-second of each other.

Brian did not find evidence of an early first shot.
He assumed there was an early first shot then went looking for evidence. He assumed that a tiny handful of people, out of hundreds seen in the Z-film, 'reacted' to his assumed early first shot because they moved their heads.
This is clearly good enough for you but it's not for me.
And could you please explain to us all what you mean by "prime witnesses" when it's just you interpreting what they're doing.  How does that make them witnesses? Particularly when their recollections utterly refute your assumptions.

Keep your lies to yourself and do some research.

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Dear widdle danny BOY o'meara,

I wrote in my previous post:

Regardless, you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.) [emphasis added]

Nice spin job, danny BOY o'meara.

. . . . . . . . .

Then you posted at 02:05:38 AM today:

"You're a liar. I didn't post any such thing. Keep your lies to yourself. They have no place on this forum."

. . . . . . .

Go to page 167, this thread, widdle danny BOY o'meara, and scroll down to the seventh post, in which you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.)[/b] [emphasis added]

See the exact correspondence between it and what I "accused" you of having posted?

D'oh!

Good God, man, get professional help.

Before it's too late.

-- Tom

[Jarrett Smith]

44 is just a partial list, there are many key witnesses, 73 or more, stating two shots total or the second shot was the headshot.

Two shot witnesses

 A Zapruder, Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, Bonnie Ray Williams, Brennan, SA Greer, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix

How can you have only 2 shots when Connally heard the first, hit with the second, and heard the third?

[Royell Storing]

And eye-witness/ear-witness testimony corroborated by photographic evidence trumps your childish interpretation of people in a motorcade turning their heads.
Remember, the statements of Ready, Landis and Hickey, about their responses to the first shot, are corroborated by Altgens 6:

Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "


In effect, all three are stating that, as a result of the sound of the first shot, they turn to face the direction the shot came from - the TSBD building - which is to their right and rear. However, when we analyse the Z-film we don't see this movement. We see all three agents until Z207 (shown below) and we do not see any of the agents turning to their right rear in response to a shot coming from their right rear - the direction we would expect a shot from the SN to come from;



Fortunately, we do have photographic evidence of these three agents making their immediate turns to the right rear in response to the "explosion" of the first shot:



Here we have the recollections of a group of witnesses corroborated by photographic evidence.
This is how the testimonial and photographic record should be used to determine when the first shot happened.
Even the recollections of your own "prime witnesses" refute the early first shot nonsense you are proposing!

The fact remains that Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce have shown that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133,


Your Denial is becoming legendary.
As you know, earlier in this thread I made the point to Brian that, as an attempt to pin down the first shot, his 'study' was invalidated because he started by assuming there was a first shot. To which he agreed;

ME: "I stated that one of the two main reasons that your theory has failed is because, rather than trying to pin down when the first shot occurred, you have assumed there was an early first shot and have looked for evidence of this assumed early first shot in the Z-film."

BRIAN: "I suppose I have to agree with you that at some point I formed a hypothesis that the first shot was early, and then followed up looking for evidence."

Brian started his study by assuming the conclusion of the study. This invalidates your precious study as a way of determining when the first shot occurred.
In contrast, this thread contains a mountain of evidence demonstrating that the first shot took place around z222/z223.
This is the shot that passes through both JFK and JBC and causes JFK to react so extremely.
Do yourself a favour and do some research on this matter.

44 witnesses describing JFK reacting to the first shot who all refute your early shot.
10 witnesses in the Vice Presidential and Vice Presidential follow-on cars who all refute your early shot.
Even your own "prime witnesses" who refute your early shot.
And your beloved 'study' invalidated.
  poor little tommy.

    The 3 SS Agents turned toward the DIRECTION (R) the shots came from. There is more to their (R) than just the TSBD. The Bushes/Shrubs/Garden are also to the (R) of these 3 SS Agents. These same Bushes/Shrubs/Garden are specifically what DPD Officer Smith was checking as he ran up the Elm St Extension as captured on the Darnell/Couch Films. There are 3 sources for reported shot(s) being fired from the bushes/shrubs/garden. DPD Officer Smith, Mal Couch, and Bill Newman. And of course, with respect to the Bushes/Shrubs/Garden, there is also the Elm St Ext with an in-motion "getaway" car rolling down it.