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Online Royell Storing

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1309 on: November 17, 2025, 05:28:14 PM »
Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

    Please carefully read the testimony that YOU posted above. Kellerman was asked "...how many you HEARD". ASAIC Kellerman describing a "flurry" of shells coming into the JFK Limo is NOT the same as HEARING shots being fired. This is a slick lawyer's trick that you have fallen for.  "Juror is dismissed".

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1310 on: November 17, 2025, 06:22:46 PM »
As seen in the extant Zapruder film, the first shot was fired at Z145-155.

The first hit was fired at Z186-190.

Regarding the first shot evident in the Zapruder film:

• There is a noticeable blur episode at around Z158.

• Connally starts to turn his head rapidly to the right at Z162.

• Several witnesses said the first shot was fired during the limo's turn onto Elm Street or just after it completed the turn.

• A 10-year-old girl named Rosemary Willis, running along the grass to the left of the limousine, begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. When she was an adult, Ms. Willis explained that she stopped running because she heard a loud noise behind her.

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Those who are chained down by the lone-gunman theory can only offer lame, vacuous explanations for the obvious shot reactions that refute their three-shots-only scenario.




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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1311 on: November 17, 2025, 06:42:41 PM »
Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

That's true, but then we have another area of spray towards the rear and left.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1312 on: November 17, 2025, 07:02:19 PM »

  The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different Ammo + Different Guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK Exploding Head.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1313 on: November 17, 2025, 11:10:17 PM »
The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different ammo + different guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK exploding head.

Dear Comrade Storing,

JFK's head (like yours except his had a rational brain) was a comprised-of-bone sphere, and when the high-velocity bullet penetrated its thickest part in the lower-rear, said bullet fragmented into at least three largish pieces. These fragments built up so much pressure inside his skull as they travelled through his brain that it caused fractures in his skull, and as a result much of the right side of his brain was forcefully expelled through the weakened top-right section.

Which of course was a very, very different result from that caused by the only other bullet that passed through either man: CE-399 when it passed through JFK's and JBC's chests and hit only one bone in the process: JBC's 5th rib.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1314 on: November 19, 2025, 05:47:05 PM »
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Which of course was a very, very different result from that caused by the only other bullet that passed through either man: CE-399 when it passed through JFK's and JBC's chests and hit only one bone in the process: JBC's 5th rib.
Are you suggesting that it did not strike JBC's right radius and deposited small flecks of lead in the wound and made a jagged tear in his french cuff? 

And it is not as if the impact with the rib was minor. JBC said it felt like someone had given him a hard punch to the back.  That indicates a sudden change in momentum (sudden change in speed or direction or both).  It contacted the fifth rib in the right armpit with enough force to bend the rib causing a fracture farther up the rib toward the spine (see: Dr. Shaw interview, 1 HSCA 272; Ex. F-71) and then penetrated and destroyed the last 10 cm of that rib driving shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1315 on: November 19, 2025, 10:42:26 PM »
Are you suggesting that it did not strike JBC's right radius and deposited small flecks of lead in the wound and made a jagged tear in his french cuff? And it is not as if the impact with the rib was minor. JBC said it felt like someone had given him a hard punch to the back.  That indicates a sudden change in momentum (sudden change in speed or direction or both).  It contacted the fifth rib in the right armpit with enough force to bend the rib causing a fracture farther up the rib toward the spine (see: Dr. Shaw interview, 1 HSCA 272; Ex. F-71) and then penetrated and destroyed the last 10 cm of that rib driving shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung.

Why do you find it hard to believe that JBC has already been hit in Z-230?

In which Zapruder frame do you think JBC was hit?