Infamy = Glory??

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2020, 04:27:52 AM »
You're more desperate than you used to be
And Weidmann seems evermore 'thirsty'

I’m not the one jumping through hoops to try to excuse yet another error. Perhaps less time trying to be clever and more time verifying before you hit “post”.

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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2020, 04:30:55 AM »
Anyway, I thought this was an amazing example of what MDC has said his motive was. And I can only imagine how James Taylor must have felt when he realized that MDC just might have murdered him for the same motive. Wow!

I’m confused. Nowhere in your James Taylor quote does he specify what Chapman said to him.
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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2020, 04:34:09 AM »
Shoot his way out of the Depository? The Sheriff’s office was cater-corner across the street, hence numerous police officers were in the immediate vicinity of the TSBD practically all the time. And LHO had to know this. He would have had more bullets in him than Bonnie and Clyde put together if he had tried to shoot his way out. His best chance to escape the TSBD was to blend-in and that is exactly what he did.

And yet I’ve heard LNers also argue that the shooter chambered his fourth bullet in case he needed to shoot his way out.

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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2020, 04:39:57 AM »
Can you imagine - let's try for a second but just one - a defense lawyer stating in court that his client couldn't have shot the victim Smith because no box for the ammunition he used was found? Or that the police couldn't find where he purchased that ammunition?

A defense lawyer doesn’t have to demonstrate that his client couldn’t have shot the victim.

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No box for the revolver bullets found on Oswald was discovered either. Nor did they find out where he purchased them. Does that mean the shells never existed?

No, but it does make you wonder why they weren’t “found on Oswald” until hours after his arrest and detainment.

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Some people have an almost emotional need to exonerate Oswald.

Sadly, far too many don’t feel any need (emotional or otherwise) to actually demonstrate with facts and reliable evidence that Oswald did it.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2020, 05:06:39 AM »
Shoot his way out of the Depository? The Sheriff’s office was cater-corner across the street, hence numerous police officers were in the immediate vicinity of the TSBD practically all the time. 
So why would a shooter who was in a supremely elevated position not take them out too?---Be a real killer man. As fancy of a shot they say he was ...it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Answer--the whole thing was a big concocted story.

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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2020, 10:07:44 PM »
I’m confused. Nowhere in your James Taylor quote does he specify what Chapman said to him.


MDC’s stated motive is in the article I linked to in the first post of this thread. That link doesn’t seem to be working right now. So here are some similar statements from a similar ABC article:


https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/mark-david-chapman-man-killed-john-lennon-parole/story?id=73149086


When asked if anything in this thinking had changed during the last 40 years of his incarceration about why he shot Lennon, Chapman said it boiled to glory.

"It was just self-glory, period," Chapman said. "It was nothing more than that. It boiled down to that. There's no excuses."

He had a list of three other potential targets in case Lennon did not work out.

"I came up with whatever famous people I could," the transcript said


One of the commissioners said, "You called it glory and some might call it infamy," to which Chapman replied, "Infamy brings glory.“



No James Taylor didn’t explicitly say in the AARP interview that he even knew MDC’s motive. However, it appears to me that James Taylor implied that he felt that he had had a close call with the same lunatic that murdered John Lennon because he was famous. James Taylor is also very famous and has plenty of devoted fans. JT isn’t stupid, MDC could have easily shot him instead.
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Re: Infamy = Glory??
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2020, 10:46:39 PM »
And yet I’ve heard LNers also argue that the shooter chambered his fourth bullet in case he needed to shoot his way out.


Using that last bullet in the rifle to shoot one of his coworkers that might either be on the sixth floor or come running onto the sixth floor from the stairwell is not the same as running away from the building carrying a rifle and attempting to shoot his way through a plethora of law enforcement officers.

He apparently wisely ditched the rifle once he reached the area near the stairwell. Blending in was his best chance of escape once he started encountering other people. And I believe that he instinctively knew that.