Infamy = Glory??

[Charles Collins]

James Taylor, the musician, is one of my most favorite. We saw him live in concert a few years back and it was great. Here (from an article in the AARP magazine) is what James Taylor had to say about the murder of John Lennon:

I lived between 73rd and 74th on Central Park West, and the Dakota was the next building down. The day before John was murdered, I stood right in front of the Dakota and a guy attached himself to me in a manic and alarming way. He just started talking a mile a minute at me. Eventually I just sort of scraped him off. I got out of the conversation as soon as possible and made it impact my doorman into the safety of my building. But in fact, that was Mark DAvid Chapman, the guy who killed John.

The next night, I;m talking on the phone, sitting in a window that looks out onto the back of the Dakota, when I heard five shots. The shots just reverberated through that courtyard. Booming shots, like from a large caliber weapon, like a .38. I thought to myself, That’s a police shooting right there. I told my friend on the phone, “You think things are crazy in Los Angeles, I just heard the cops shoot somebody down on the street.”

We signed off, said goodbye. Twenty minutes later she called me back and said, “That wasn’t a police shooting, James. That was John Lennon.”


Anyway, I thought this was an amazing example of what MDC has said his motive was. And I can only imagine how James Taylor must have felt when he realized that MDC just might have murdered him for the same motive. Wow!

[Michael Walton]

Two of my favorite things about Oswald did it is his wearing his military ring the day he was arrested. I guess he forgot to chuck it in the Trinity River. It makes no sense.

And two - they have all of this great evidence about how he bought his pistol and rifle but where did he get the bullets? No evidence of that at all. There were three spent shells in the nest (snickers) and one in the rifle. You buy ammunition by the box - you know 20-50 rounds per box. Yet, no boxes found. No extra bullets found at, the Paine house? His rooming place? No extra rounds in his pockets to shoot his way out of the Depository. After all, he wanted infamy/glory right?

So, so funny.

[Charles Collins]

Two of my favorite things about Oswald did it is his wearing his military ring the day he was arrested. I guess he forgot to chuck it in the Trinity River. It makes no sense.

And two - they have all of this great evidence about how he bought his pistol and rifle but where did he get the bullets? No evidence of that at all. There were three spent shells in the nest (snickers) and one in the rifle. You buy ammunition by the box - you know 20-50 rounds per box. Yet, no boxes found. No extra bullets found at, the Paine house? His rooming place? No extra rounds in his pockets to shoot his way out of the Depository. After all, he wanted infamy/glory right?

So, so funny.

Shoot his way out of the Depository? The Sheriff’s office was cater-corner across the street, hence numerous police officers were in the immediate vicinity of the TSBD practically all the time. And LHO had to know this. He would have had more bullets in him than Bonnie and Clyde put together if he had tried to shoot his way out. His best chance to escape the TSBD was to blend-in and that is exactly what he did.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Shoot his way out of the Depository? The Sheriff’s office was cater-corner across the street, hence numerous police officers were in the immediate vicinity of the TSBD practically all the time. And LHO had to know this. He would have had more bullets in him than Bonnie and Clyde put together if he had tried to shoot his way out. His best chance to escape the TSBD was to blend-in and that is exactly what he did.

Can you imagine - let's try for a second but just one - a defense lawyer stating in court that his client couldn't have shot the victim Smith because no box for the ammunition he used was found? Or that the police couldn't find where he purchased that ammunition?

I don't believe a jury would find that dismissive of the other evidence.

No box for the revolver bullets found on Oswald was discovered either. Nor did they find out where he purchased them. Does that mean the shells never existed? He didn't have them? What exactly?

Some people have an almost emotional need to exonerate Oswald. Mr. Walton has stated before that Oswald obviously didn't go to Mexico City since he denied going there. So the evidence that he did go there e.g., physical, eyewitness, circumstantial, is dismissed because he denied going there? Sorry, I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion.

[Michael Walton]

You're missing my point, Charles. The topic here is Glory and Infamy.



And care to comment on why a supposed Marxist would be wearing his military ring? Don't just pick something that you have an easy answer for. I'd love to hear your thoughts on why he had that ring on, not only when he was arrested but also in the backyard photos.

[Michael Walton]

I think it would matter, Steve. And care to comment on the ring wearing? Because that ring goes against everything Oswald supposedly believed in.

There's nothing emotional about it, Steve. I advise you to read Accessories After the Fact. It's clear, concise and not a bit "emotional" and it was written by a woman to boot and it can be found free on the Internet. There have been miscarriages of justice all throughout history, Steve. It happens all of the time and Oswald simply did not have his day in court. It's as simple as that, Steve.

[Charles Collins]

You're missing my point, Charles. The topic here is Glory and Infamy.



And care to comment on why a supposed Marxist would be wearing his military ring? Don't just pick something that you have an easy answer for. I'd love to hear your thoughts on why he had that ring on, not only when he was arrested but also in the backyard photos.

It just might be... just maybe... perhaps it was because he actually was an ex-Marine. Joining the Marines was his ticket out of his mother’s house. Joining the Marines also was his ambition. He developed this ambition at least partially due to his older brothers’ military background. They were “training” him as early as age six with a piece of wood for a rifle.

Was LHO a gung-ho patriotic military man like a large percentage of the all-volunteer military members are today? Not no, but hell no. His Marxist beliefs were at odds with that idea. And his behavior while in the Marines and early exit from the Marines also indicate that he was not someone ready, willing, and able to sacrifice his life for his country.

However, LHO most definitely was someone with an over-inflated ego. And perhaps wearing the Marine Corps ring made him feel like people who noticed it would think he was more important or more noble, or something along those lines. Even if he was just secretly pretending to be something that he wasn’t.  Just a guess....