JFK's Head Was Hit with Frangible Ammo, not FMJ Ammo

[Michael Carney]

So if JFK had a 6mm hole in the back of his head and frangible fragments in his head from that shot then it's a safe assumption the bullet came from behind.
See anything that might give you an idea where it might have come from?

[Joe Elliott]

Oh, Lattimer's research is loaded with errors--and not just minor errors, but rather severe errors. For example, if you look at the rest of Lattimer's article, he includes an SBT diagram that shows the back wound noticeably above the throat wound, even farther above the throat wound than the WC placed it (Figure 2).

The back wound was higher than the throat wound, as is clear from the autopsy photographs.

Besides, a lower back wound makes no sense. The clothes definitely show the bullet came from the back.

Also, if from the front, who would be shooting through the windshield? A minor deflection would cause a miss.

Lattimer also describes Oswald's alleged bullets as "high-speed bullets" and gives their speed as 2200 fps, but the alleged murder weapon was a low-/medium-velocity rifle, so it would not have fired any "high-speed bullets." Plus, 2200 fps is not considered to be "high speed" for rifle bullets anyway. 2200 fps is toward the lower end of the scale for rifle muzzle velocities (the M-1 had a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps; the AR-15 had a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps).

There is no definitive definition as to what the threshold is for a high-speed bullet. A reasonable threshold is the speed of sound. Most handguns are subsonic. I believe all rifles are supersonic, above 1150 feet per second. So the 2160 feet per second WCC/MC can be called a “high speed” bullet.

Yet, Lattimer is one of the WC apologists' top "experts."

I haven’t said so for some time. Since he has died. But yes, he was one of the top experts on medical questions. And for a non-ballistic expert, pretty knowledgeable about the ballistics of the case.

And, yes, the key point is that the ammo that hit JFK in the head behaved nothing like FMJ ammo but behaved very much like frangible ammo.

Where is the ballistic expert who says the bullets behaved nothing like WCC/MC bullets? I don’t care about what other FMJ bullets do.

Do all FMJ bullets have the same muzzle velocity?

Do all FMJ have the same threshold velocity above which they will be damaged by human bone?

Do all FMJ bullets have the same shape, same copper alloy, same thickness of the jacket, same length, same rotation rate, etc.?

It doesn’t matter what other, non WCC/MC FMJ bullets do. Only what WCC/MC bullet do.


Where is the ballistic expert who says the bullets behaved nothing like WCC/MC bullets?

The question you always dodge.

[Joe Elliott]

Joe,

“Hence, some differences between the bullet that went through Skull # 8170 and President Kennedy. The bullet that went through President Kennedy’s head broke up into 3 fragments. The Skull # 8170 bullet remained in one extremely mangled fragment that did not quite separate into multiple fragments, but came close to doing so, as one can see from Figure 20 on Page 122 from Larry Sturdivan’s book “The JFK Myths”. Also, while a string of tiny fragments was left in President Kennedy’s head, there was no string of tiny fragments left within Skull # 8170, suspended in air. Nor should we expect to see such.”

I am not a ballistic expert, but I would say the difference is between a WCC/MC with the lead core exposed, moving through brain tissue, and a similar bullet moving through thin air.

As Larry Sturdivan explained in his book, “The JFK Myths”, but bullet broke into at least 3 fragments while moving through the brain, with smaller fragments being stripped off along the way. I am paraphrasing here with my own words to give the jest of what I recalled he was saying.

And were two of these fragments deposited on the outside back of his head?

And I don’t know anything about any fragments being deposited on the outside of the back of the head.

And where was the third frag found?

The third fragment was never found. It probably just cleared the windshield, nicked Mr. Tague and continued flying through the air and was never found.

A string of tiny fragments found in JFK’s head and not in skull #8170. This is because #8170 was shot with a FMJ  round and JFK was shot with a frangible round.

Moving through thin air, a WCC/MC is not going to leave a string of tiny fragments within Skull # 1870. But would do so within a skull filled with a brain.


Find me a professional ballistic expert who disagrees with any of this. The CTers have not found one, anywhere in the world, for over 56 years.

[Bill Chapman]

I am not a ballistic expert, but I would say the difference is between a WCC/MC with the lead core exposed, moving through brain tissue, and a similar bullet moving through thin air.

As Larry Sturdivan explained in his book, “The JFK Myths”, but bullet broke into at least 3 fragments while moving through the brain, with smaller fragments being stripped off along the way. I am paraphrasing here with my own words to give the jest of what I recalled he was saying.


And I don’t know anything about any fragments being deposited on the outside of the back of the head.


The third fragment was never found. It probably just cleared the windshield, nicked Mr. Tague and continued flying through the air and was never found.


Moving through thin air, a WCC/MC is not going to leave a string of tiny fragments within Skull # 1870. But would do so within a skull filled with a brain.


Find me a professional ballistic expert who disagrees with any of this. The CTers have not found one, anywhere in the world, for over 56 years.

Find me a professional ballistic expert who disagrees with any of this. The CTers have not found one, anywhere in the world, for over 56 years.

That's not all CTers haven't found in over 56 years

[Ray Mitcham]

Interesting video I had never seen before by a Student Doctor at Parkland, who was one of the first medics to see JFK wheeled in and his head wounds.

Seems to confirm what the rest of the Parkland doctors said that there was big wound in the back of the head.

Relevant details start at 3.00 point of the video.

[John Iacoletti]

The back wound was higher than the throat wound, as is clear from the autopsy photographs.

There's no publicly available autopsy photo that shows these wounds relative to each other.

[John Iacoletti]

As Larry Sturdivan explained in his book, “The JFK Myths”, but bullet broke into at least 3 fragments while moving through the brain, with smaller fragments being stripped off along the way.

How would Larry Sturdivan know how many fragments JFK's head shot broke into?