Power cut important clarification required

[Michael O'Brian]

An informative article about this very important issue.
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/LIGHTS%20OUT.htm

[Richard Smith]

Equipment like lifts would have their own circuit breakers. No problem cutting out just the lifts. I would assume motors in top of lift shafts so breakers (and fuses) could be on 7th floor (the pipes in the SE corner routed power to the upper floors as I recall).

No one else indicated any problem with the elevators that day.  And there are specific examples of folks like Baker and Truly taking the freight elevator from the 5th to the 7th floor and Sawyer taking the front elevator without issue a few minutes after the assassination.  There is no problem cutting the power to the lifts?  Well, you would have to have someone do it.  Presumably from within the building.  That adds another person to the conspiracy in the TSBD.  A pretty big risk. They would have to somehow know when to do it.  How do they coordinate that?  And lastly - why bother cutting the power at all for a few minutes or seconds?  The purpose is unclear.

[John Mytton]

BTW, my comment was purely technical, but can you name a TSBD witness who said they experienced an intermittent problem with the freight elevators on other occasions?

The elevators had certain quirks if you weren't familiar.
Truly knew both elevators were up on the the fifth floor but couldn't use either because each elevator had a strict procedure before they would operate.

Mr. BELIN. Now, you got to the elevator, and what did you do then?
Mr. TRULY. I looked up. This is two elevators in the same well. This elevator over here
Mr. BELIN. You are pointing to the west one?
Mr. TRULY. I am pointing to the west one. This elevator was on the fifth floor. Also, the east elevator-- as far as I can tell--both of them were on the fifth floor at that time.
This elevator will come down if the gates are down, and you push a button.
Representative FORD. Which elevator is that?
Mr. TRULY. The west one. But the east one will not come down unless you get on it and bring it down. You cannot call it if the gates are down.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

I was. That was by design. Thanks anyway.

Good for you. Yes they were designed differently. No problems.



JohnM

[Richard Smith]

...and Sawyer taking the front elevator without issue a few minutes after the assassination.

Different shaft; would work independently of freight elevators.

That adds another person to the conspiracy in the TSBD.  A pretty big risk

Not if he's already in.

The purpose is unclear

Think a little harder.

BTW, my comment was purely technical, but can you name a TSBD witness who said they experienced an intermittent problem with the freight elevators on other occasions?

Why do you ignore that Baker and Truly took the freight elevator by addressing the fact that Sawyer took the front elevator?  Sawyer's trip up and back down the front elevator is just another example that the power was on in the building.  Baker and Truly's trip demonstrates the same along with the fact that the freight elevator was working fine.  What is your time frame for when the freight elevator was not operational?  And why be coy and ask me for an explanation for why the power would be cut off to that elevator?  This is not my theory.  It sounds complicated and risky without any obvious benefit.  If you have some insight, let us know.

[Royell Storing]

...and Sawyer taking the front elevator without issue a few minutes after the assassination.

Different shaft; would work independently of freight elevators.

That adds another person to the conspiracy in the TSBD.  A pretty big risk

Not if he's already in.

The purpose is unclear

Think a little harder.

BTW, my comment was purely technical, but can you name a TSBD witness who said they experienced an intermittent problem with the freight elevators on other occasions?

By the time the front elevator was used, Oswald had probably already departed the TSBD. This Front Elevator time frame was also several minutes after the Hine testimony/time frame. If Hine is talking about a power outage as the JFK Limo approaches the TSBD/Passes by, this would be an important issue. A possible power outage at the TSBD several minutes After the assassination serves No Purpose.

[Richard Smith]

Why do you ignore that Baker and Truly took the freight elevator by addressing the fact that Sawyer took the front elevator?

I don't. You introduced Sawyer.

Sawyer's trip up and back down the front elevator is just another example that the power was on in the building.

Showing you (surprise) entirely missed my point, being, there would have been separate breakers for each elevator.

Baker and Truly's trip demonstrates the same along with the fact that the freight elevator was working fine.

But...

Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator. [...]

What is your time frame for when the freight elevator was not operational?

Refer to MOONEY quote above, then expand if possible.

And why be coy and ask me for an explanation for why the power would be cut off to that elevator?

Oh...you understand it might be to trap someone escaping on the upper floors or, worse, inside the elevator.

This is not my theory.

Fine. Neither is it mine.

It sounds complicated and risky without any obvious benefit.  If you have some insight, let us know.

The benefit is obvious as I've explained, trapping the patsy, but complicated to get right I agree.

Again, my initial post was purely technical simply to illustrate that it should have been possible to cut out the elevators individually. There was no need to cut power to the whole building as indicated by other poster(s).

So your theory is that Oswald was supposed to be trapped in the elevator coming down?  And the conspirators turned off the power to an elevator going up for some reason even though Oswald wasn't in the elevator?  In fact, they do this with a police officer in the elevator?  LOL.  And some conspirator hung around in the building after the assassination while the DPD was there turning the power off and on to the elevator?  Then managed to escape unnoticed.  That was quite a plan. Who was supposed to explain why the patsy was trapped in the elevator because its power had been turned off had this plan worked?