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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2018, 08:08:04 PM »
Because armed Policemen are afraid of the dark?

There is a difference between Dark and Pitch Black. Plus, Officer Baker is completely unfamiliar with the building/stairwell. Cops are smart. Nobody wins if you place yourself in a situation like that. You or a completely innocent person, (Styles/Adams), could get shot.  Do Not use the Pitch Black Stairwells until flashlights/temp lighting of some kind is supplied.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 01:10:53 PM »
So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?  Is there no limit to their power (no pun intended)?  I can't exactly follow your point on Baker.  Are you claiming he had his gun drawn because it was dark on the stairs due to a power outage and not because he had heard shots fired from within the building and was in pursuit of an active shooter?  Or are you claiming because neither Baker nor Truly mentioned that it was dark that this means the power was on?

So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?


Duh!....The Hertz sign WAS running on time because it did NOT run on AC.....    The sign was operated from a battery bank that was kept charged by a battery charger that as operated by the AC.

If the clock had been operating on AC it would have been susceptible to power failures and would require frequent adjustments due to  frequency drift.     The DC power supplied by the battery bank was a constant steady supply of  unwavering power.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2018, 02:48:00 PM »
Point is, if the power had been out and Officer Baker knew he was chasing a killer/shooter, (which he did because he had his gun out), there is No Way he enters into and attempts to navigate his way through a Pitch Black stairwell he has Never been inside previously.
Yeah, either/both would have mentioned this alleged Black Out situation when they told the WC their story.

So you are saying the power was not out since we know Baker and Truly did go up the stairs?  I think they would have gone up anyway, but we are in agreement that the power was not out which is the point under consideration here.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2018, 03:49:19 PM »
So you are saying the power was not out since we know Baker and Truly did go up the stairs?  I think they would have gone up anyway, but we are in agreement that the power was not out which is the point under consideration here.

Yeah. I believe the power was On because: (1) Baker and Truly made No Mention of having to navigate a Pitch Black stairway in their WC Testimony, (2) Officer Baker would Not have entered a Pitch Black Stairway he had Never used before, & (3) Truly was ahead of Baker leading him Up the stairwell. How would Baker have been able to See/Follow Truly in a Pitch Black Stairwell? 

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2018, 04:41:13 PM »
Mr. BALL - Which elevator did you get on?
Mr. MOONEY - It was the one nearest to the staircase, on the northwest corner of the building.
Mr. BALL - There are two elevators there?
Mr. MOONEY - I found that out later. I didn't know it at that time.
Mr. BALL - You took the west one, or the east one?
Mr. MOONEY - I would say it was the west elevator, the one nearest to the staircase.
Mr. BALL - Did it work with a push button?
Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator. So I looked around their office there, just a short second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But, anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was there any reason for you to go to the sixth floor?
Mr. MOONEY - No, sir. That is what I say. I don't know why. I just stopped on that particular floor. I thought I was pretty close to the top.
Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2018, 05:17:56 PM »
Mr. BALL - Which elevator did you get on?
Mr. MOONEY - It was the one nearest to the staircase, on the northwest corner of the building.
Mr. BALL - There are two elevators there?
Mr. MOONEY - I found that out later. I didn't know it at that time.
Mr. BALL - You took the west one, or the east one?
Mr. MOONEY - I would say it was the west elevator, the one nearest to the staircase.
Mr. BALL - Did it work with a push button?
Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator. So I looked around their office there, just a short second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But, anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was there any reason for you to go to the sixth floor?
Mr. MOONEY - No, sir. That is what I say. I don't know why. I just stopped on that particular floor. I thought I was pretty close to the top.
Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?

Time stamping what you have supplied above would be beneficial. The discussion previously was centered around the Geneva Hine WC Testimony. In that testimony she was referring to a time period when the JFK Limo approached the TSBD and passed by. Baker and Truly going Up the stairwell was roughly 1 minute following the Kill Shot. What you have proffered above occurred at some point several minutes after Hine's recollections, as well as the Baker/Truly Up-The-Stairwell Escapade.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2018, 09:28:49 PM »
As to Hine's comment about the phones going dead, it is possible that she said it as part of her excuse\reason for leaving her desk to look at the parade. Doesn't even have to be a lie as such, someone wanting to do something (look at the parade) can convince themselves\justify their actions, the lines may have gone quiet for a few seconds and she in her own mind reasoned they had all gone quiet, so she could leave her desk.

Mooney's testimony is far more challenging, it would appear to effecting the lifts only, and for a short period of time, as they were operated by quite a few others.