Power cut important clarification required

[John Iacoletti]

Of course the TSBD would not want to pay the Hertz electric bill.  But that adds absolutely no support to your implication that the sign had an independent power source.  Talk about an assumption. Hertz could have contracted to pay the TSBD owner whatever the estimated monthly electrical cost of the sign.  Look this is easy.

Sure, now you just have to come up with some evidence for that.  Do you have any?

Whether the sign had an independent link to power or received its power via the same source as the TSBD, the power to both would have gone off if there was an external power outage to that location.  I believe that is exactly what Tom concluded. Like the power going off to a city block.  Can you compute that fact? 

Who in the world do you think claimed there was an external power outage to that location, like the power going off to a city block?

Now if we are narrowing things down to someone pulling a circuit switch inside the building, then of course it would be possible to cut the power to specific parts of the building without turning the sign off.

Thank you.  Was that so hard?

  In that situation, we are left to look to the specific facts to reach a conclusion.  For example, if the claim is that the power was cut to specific elevators, we have multiple examples of those same elevators being in operation in the same time frame.

Only if you concoct a "time frame" that encompasses whatever non-specific times somebody claimed to have used an elevator.  I'm not sure how that demonstrates that the power was on when Mooney and Adams tried to use them.  That doesn't fit in with your world view so you're just making unsubstantiated excuses to disregard it.  Which is what you do with all conflicting evidence in this case.  What's new?

[John Iacoletti]

You would be an expert on delusional minds given your theory in this instance.  We have reached the point of impasse.  You have provided all manner of unsupported, outlandish fantasies involving the elevator and Mooney.  But you refuse to acknowledge the most obvious.  That he simply didn't know how to work an old freight elevator that did require more than just pushing a button.

And as we see here again, something is the "most obvious" solely based on Richard's unsubstantiated opinion.

[John Iacoletti]

The totality of evidence suggests there was no power outage.  The Hine testimony relates to the lights on her phone.

That's just your speculation.  Hine didn't say "lights on her phone".  Your speculations do not constitute evidence.

[Tim Nickerson]

You would have to be a particularly  stupid cop not to be able to operate a push button elevator.

Again Ray, you didn't just step onto those elevators , press a button and up you went. There was more to it than that.

[Richard Smith]

You would have to be a particularly  stupid cop not to be able to operate a push button elevator.

Certainly no stupider than to have 50 plus years to understand how these elevators worked and still not be able to figure it out. 

[Richard Smith]

Who in the world do you think claimed there was an external power outage to that location, like the power going off to a city block?

One obvious possibility for any power outage is that its source is external to the building.  Coming from someone who claims it is a strawman argument that anyone has suggested a conspiracy - even though that claim has been made directly and indirectly by many of your nutty kindred - it is particularly odd to exclude a random, external power outage from the discussion as to the source of the alleged power outage.  That leaves someone in the building intentionally turning off the power.  Why would any conspirator risk being in the building long after the assassination to briefly turn the power off and on to the freight elevators?  It doesn't add up.  I'm simply addressing all the possibilities for a power outage.  That includes an external source.  The point being that the Hertz sign would not be operational if the source was an external outage.  Because the sign was working - regardless of whether it was on the same or separate power source as the TSBD - that tells us there was no external power outage to that location.  The sign is relevant in ruling out that possibility.

[Ray Mitcham]

Again Ray, you didn't just step onto those elevators , press a button and up you went. There was more to it than that.

Please explain exactly what you have to do to make them operate correctly, Tim.