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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2020, 11:38:54 PM »
Oswald knew exactly what he was doing, and here almost 57 years later he's still being talked about, will anybody be talking about any of us 57 years after we die?

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Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.

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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2020, 11:56:59 PM »

Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.

I believe Oswald was waiting for a huge trial to expound his communist/Marxist theories, he previously tried in New Orleans with his leaflets and his radio debates and after this avenue fizzled he simply waited and killing JFK was his next best bet.






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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2020, 12:28:36 AM »

Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.

Good posting. And accurate. I spoke with Robert in 1999. He made that exact point. Oswald craved notoriety. Upon arriving back in Ft.Worth from Russia in 1962, he was devastated there was no media at the airport to greet him.

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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2020, 03:04:27 AM »
Good posting. And accurate. I spoke with Robert in 1999. He made that exact point. Oswald craved notoriety. Upon arriving back in Ft.Worth from Russia in 1962, he was devastated there was no media at the airport to greet him.


I managed to find an online archive of Robert Oswald’s book Lee - A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald:


https://ia800904.us.archive.org/31/items/LeeAPortraitOfLeeHarveyOswald/Lee%3B%20A%20Portrait%20of%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald.pdf

I have been wanting to read this book for a while now. But it is out of print and I don’t want to pay the exorbitant price they are asking for a print copy of the book.
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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2020, 05:58:34 AM »
Where is the evidence that LHO "practiced" shooting this rifle?
Hint....Marina did not witness any such practice.
I fail to see the answers pile up there.

I believe Oswald was waiting for a huge trial to expound his communist/Marxist theories, he previously tried in New Orleans with his leaflets and his radio debates and after this avenue fizzled he simply waited and killing JFK was his next best bet.
Talk about theories!...You come up with a brand new one every day :D
Wouldn't just shooting the president have been the next bet?

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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2020, 07:35:05 AM »
Talk about theories!...You come up with a brand new one every day :D
Wouldn't just shooting the president have been the next bet?

Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.

Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)

Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.


Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets



Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.



Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.



Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.



A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to  "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.

In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker



Do the Math!

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Re: The rifle Oswald should have used
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2020, 12:21:59 PM »
Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.

Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)

Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.


Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets



Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.



Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.



Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.



A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to  "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.

In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker



Do the Math!

JohnM

Great post!

I believe that Castro and Cuba were his main motives. LHO and Marina reportedly fought like cats and dogs quite regularly. So I doubt that her refusal to immediately move back in with him had much bearing on his decision. (Other than perhaps that he wanted to make her feel guilty about it.)