Victoria Adams’ view from the fourth floor window

[Thomas Graves]

Edited:

Watching the emphatic Old Man Euins tell/demonstrate the 3 shot sequence he heard, does Not indicate someone suffering from any degree of Assassination Psychosis.

Amos Euins was quite accurate about everything (as confirmed by witness Patricia Ann Donaldson and others), except for, due to the echoes of the concrete gully known as Dealey Plaza, the time interval between the second and third shots (about 5.5 seconds).

(Chief Curry, who was riding in the lead car just this side of The Triple Underpass, suggested it was about two seconds, so go figure ...)

But, speaking of "Assassination Psychosis" ...

Which were you first interested in -- Roger Stone's urging Russian Mafia-money launderer Trump to start running for president back in early 1998, or anti-"Deep State" / anti-CIA JFK assassination (etc, etc, etc, etc) ...

 ... CONSPIRACY THEORIES ...

... promulgated and spread by the KGB as far back as early 1964?

Did you, at a certain point, find that Trump's candidacy/presidency and these anti-CIA conspiracy theories were strangely mutually reinforcing?  (They are.)

Why do you suppose that is?

--  MWT 

[Charles Collins]

Victoria Adams spoke to detective James R. Leavelle of the DPD on 2/17/64. This is part of her statement: "When the President got in front of us I heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first shot."

I reviewed the Tina Towner film and paid close attention to the actions of JFK. In the final few seconds of that film JFK does turn his head toward the TSBD and his right arm raises up and he waves just as the film ends. Just like Victoria Adams said.

Next I used Mark Tyler"s Motorcade 63 animation and paused it approximately where the end of Towner's film is indicated. Then I plotted the location of JFK in the backseat of the limo using the scale of Mark's animation. And placed a convertible with a male character in the backseat in that plotted location (relative to the southeast corner of the TSBD) in my 3-D computer model. Next I viewed the scene (using my 3-D model) as Victoria would have seen it from the fourth floor window. The results were just as Victoria said: right in front of her window and just before going behind the tree is the convertible with the male character. The front portion of the convertible is hidden from her view by the tree limbs but the rear seat and it's occupant are still visible.

Tina Towner has said that she stopped filming just before the first shot. Dale Myers calculated that Towner's film ends just before Zapruder began filming that portion of his film. And in the first portion of Zapruder's film JFK is seen lowering his right arm just after the wave that was begun at the end of Towner's film.

I asked for and received permission from Mark Tyler to post a couple of screenshots that will let you see some of the items I used in the proceedures I have just described.


The Towner film start position:





The Towner film end position:




The view (from the 3-D model 4th floor window) that Victoria Adams was watching the motorcade from:




The free 3-D program that I use has its limitations and mine as its user. But I have used the sniper's nest model to demonstrate several things and it has proven to be accurate. I still need to fine tune things like the dimensions of the tree, but this is close enough to show that Victoria Adams was accurate in her description of what she saw. In the book "The Girl on the Stairs" by Barry Ernest Victoria clarifies her earlier statements and specifically says that she heard the first shot while JFK was hidden from her view by the tree.

Anyway, this appears to me to be further evidence that the first shot happened in the vicinity of Z-133. I believe it probably happened just before Z-133.

If any others with 3-D computer models cares to take the time to verify this work I would greatly appreciate it.

[Thomas Graves]

Victoria Adams spoke to detective James R. Leavelle of the DPD on 2/17/64. This is part of her statement: "When the President got in front of us I heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first shot."

I reviewed the Tina Towner film and paid close attention to the actions of JFK. In the final few seconds of that film JFK does turn his head toward the TSBD and his right arm raises up and he waves just as the film ends. Just like Victoria Adams said.

Next I used Mark Tyler"s Motorcade 63 animation and paused it approximately where the end of Towner's film is indicated. Then I plotted the location of JFK in the backseat of the limo using the scale of Mark's animation. And placed a convertible with a male character in the backseat in that plotted location (relative to the southeast corner of the TSBD) in my 3-D computer model. Next I viewed the scene (using my 3-D model) as Victoria would have seen it from the fourth floor window. The results were just as Victoria said: right in front of her window and just before going behind the tree is the convertible with the male character. The front portion of the convertible is hidden from her view by the tree limbs but the rear seat and it's occupant are still visible.

Tina Towner has said that she stopped filming just before the first shot. Dale Myers calculated that Towner's film ends just before Zapruder began filming that portion of his film. And in the first portion of Zapruder's film JFK is seen lowering his right arm just after the wave that was begun at the end of Towner's film.

I asked for and received permission from Mark Tyler to post a couple of screenshots that will let you see some of the items I used in the proceedures I have just described.


The Towner film start position:





The Towner film end position:




The view (from the 3-D model 4th floor window) that Victoria Adams was watching the motorcade from:




The free 3-D program that I use has its limitations and mine as its user. But I have used the sniper's nest model to demonstrate several things and it has proven to be accurate. I still need to fine tune things like the dimensions of the tree, but this is close enough to show that Victoria Adams was accurate in her description of what she saw. In the book "The Girl on the Stairs" by Barry Ernest Victoria clarifies her earlier statements and specifically says that she heard the first shot while JFK was hidden from her view by the tree.

Anyway, this appears to me to be further evidence that the first shot happened in the vicinity of Z-133. I believe it probably happened just before Z-133.

If any others with 3-D computer models cares to take the time to verify this work I would greatly appreciate it.

Charles,

Good work!

FWIW, I seriously think JFK might have been waving back to pretty Patricia Ann Donaldson-Lawrence, who was standing in the curving line in the street and is visible not only in Wiegman, but in Towner as well, not far from Stetson Man (who, being tall and dressed in white, serves as a good visual landmark in these clips).

--  MWT 

[Charles Collins]

Charles,

Good work!

FWIW, I seriously think JFK might have been waving back to pretty Patricia Ann Donaldson-Lawrence, who was standing in the curving line in the street and is visible not only in Wiegman, but in Towner and Hughes (iirc) as well, not far from Stetson Man (who, being tall and dressed in white, serves as a good visual landmark in these clips).

--  MWT 

Thanks!

So you think that JFK was flirting with the pretty gals in Texas while sitting right next to his wife???

Hmmm, you’re probably right! 

[Thomas Graves]

Thanks!

So you think that JFK was flirting with the pretty gals in Texas while sitting right next to his wife???

Hmmm, you’re probably right!

Charles,

I just now watched the Towner clip (again) and reread what you'd written ... and I was wrong.

If JFK waved to pretty Patricia Ann, it would have been when he waved the lingering wave a few seconds earlier, i.e., at about 0:06 in this clip:

So maybe he was waving to pretty Peggy Joyce Hawkins (and her four year-old son) on the "island," instead.

LOL

--  MWT 

Edit:  Or (he's waving at Patricia Ann in the background, near Strtson Man) at about 0:14 in this slo-mo version:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35n2ha

[Charles Collins]

Charles,

I just now watched the Towner clip (again) and reread what you'd written ... and I was wrong.

If JFK waved to pretty Patricia Ann, it would have been when he waved the lingering wave a few seconds earlier, i.e., at about 0:06 in this clip:

So maybe he was waving to pretty Peggy Joyce Hawkins (and her four year-old son) on the "island," instead.

LOL

--  MWT 

Edit:  Or (he's waving at Patricia Ann in the background, near Strtson Man) at about 0:14 in this slo-mo version:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35n2ha

To me it appears that JFK was doing a repetitive almost rhythmic motion in which he was raising and lowering his right arm to wave and turning his head to acknowledge the crowd. And this appears to be interrupted for a little bit immediately following the end of Towner’s film/beginning of Zapruder film. In other words if one watches his actions during the Towner film and can discern the rhythm I just described, one would expect a continuation of that type of rhythm during the first part of the Zapruder film. But that doesn’t happen. It is a considerable amount of time before he starts another wave. And during that interval we can see some quizzical looking expressions on the occupants of the limo as they appear to be looking all around and wondering what that loud noise was. See photo by Croft for the expressions, and the motions in that portion of Zapruder film. By the time of the Garrison fiasco, Phil Willis had changed his claim about the first causing him to take his fifth photo to it causing him to take one of his photos. Willis’ fourth photo was taken (you guessed it) very shortly after z-133. And it is out of focus and motion blurred as one would expect if it had been inadvertently taken before Willis was completely ready and had everything set. JFK appears to be brushing his hair back in Willis 4. Who was it that said the first shot happened right after JFK did that?

[Thomas Graves]

To me it appears that JFK was doing a repetitive almost rhythmic motion in which he was raising and lowering his right arm to wave and turning his head to acknowledge the crowd. And this appears to be interrupted for a little bit immediately following the end of Towner’s film/beginning of Zapruder film. In other words if one watches his actions during the Towner film and can discern the rhythm I just described, one would expect a continuation of that type of rhythm during the first part of the Zapruder film. But that doesn’t happen. It is a considerable amount of time before he starts another wave. And during that interval we can see some quizzical looking expressions on the occupants of the limo as they appear to be looking all around and wondering what that loud noise was. See photo by Croft for the expressions, and the motions in that portion of Zapruder film. By the time of the Garrison fiasco, Phil Willis had changed his claim about the first causing him to take his fifth photo to it causing him to take one of his photos. Willis’ fourth photo was taken (you guessed it) very shortly after z-133. And it is out of focus and motion blurred as one would expect if it had been inadvertently taken before Willis was completely ready and had everything set. JFK appears to be brushing his hair back in Willis 4. Who was it that said the first shot happened right after JFK did that?

I still go with Max Holland when he says the first shot occured about 1.4 seconds before Z133.

If the first shot was the one that injured James Tague, it had to lose its copper jacket somewhere along the way, probably when it glanced off the traffic light mast arm.

Hinkley (sp?) bent over and looked at something on the ground. His attention could have been drawn to the falling debris from that impact.

--  MWT