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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5789 on: September 02, 2022, 10:07:28 PM »
MAGA Republicans have no problem with this and instead are defending Trump's treason.

Trump Having 48 Empty 'Classified' Folders at Mar-a-Lago Raises Suspicion



Some legal experts have expressed suspicion over the empty folders with classified markings in the newly-unsealed inventory list showing what FBI agents seized during their search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home last month.

The list of items showed that dozens of empty folders described as having "classified" banners were recovered in the raid. A Newsweek count found that the list included 48 empty folders in total with this banner. Dozens of empty folders labeled "Return to Staff Secretary/Military Aide" were also listed in the inventory.

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner tweeted about the inventory list on Friday, writing that the former president "didn't pack up EMPTY folders to take with him to FLA [Florida]."

"Things just went from bad to worse to unfathomably dangerous," he added.



Former U.S. attorney Harry Litman said that the empty folders were a sign that Trump may have "riffled (sic) through the classified docs to see what he had."

"This undoes the image of just scooping them up along w/ shirts and M&Ms and keeping them in boxes," he added.

Friday's unsealed inventory list provided the closest look yet at what the FBI seized when it went through Mar-a-Lago, a search that the former president and his allies have condemned as politically motivated. In addition to the various empty folders, the list also shows that various government documents with and without classification markings, articles, clothing items, and books were also taken. The judge, who unsealed the list, is considering Trump's request to have a special master appointed to oversee the review of the records seized during the raid.

Responding to a breakdown of what was on the list, former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann tweeted that the empty classified folders "are of most concern."

"Where are the contents?" he asked. "Trump has not addressed that at all in all his bluster and obfuscation. What were you doing with these?"

Hugo Lowell @hugolowell

NEW: Unsealed detailed inventory of what FBI seized from Trump’s office includes:
— 7 TOP SECRET marked docs
— 43 Empty CLASSIFIED folders
— 28 Empty Return to Staff Sec/Mil. Aid folders
— 26 Magazines/Press Articles 1/2020-11/2020
— 99 Magazines/Press Articles 1/2017-10/2018


https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1565709167964340227

The inventory list also prompted Mike Sington, a former senior executive at NBCUniversal, to ask what had happened to any materials that may have been inside the folders.

"What did Trump do with the contents of the folders?" he tweeted. "Did he sell them? Are they hidden at his other properties?"

Trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in regard to the documents, including by saying that any classified documents that he took had been declassified. However, some have cast doubt on this explanation.

Mick Mulvaney, who was Trump's acting chief of staff from January 2019 to March 2020, told Newsmax last month that while a president has broad authority to declassify documents, "there's a formal structure to doing that." Mulvaney said that there was not a standing order to declassify documents when he was chief of staff, but said that one could have been implemented later.

Even if the documents Trump allegedly took were all declassified, that may not matter if he was charged with any crimes, according to a former U.S. attorney. Barbara McQuade said on MSNBC's The Katie Phang Show last month that the laws listed as potentially being violated on the search warrant don't require the documents to be classified.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-having-48-empty-classified-folders-mar-lago-raises-suspicion-1739520

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5790 on: September 02, 2022, 10:29:28 PM »
MAGA Republican elected officials refuse to accept the results of free and fair elections.

147 Congressional Republicans voted to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

That is fascism folks and it's what MAGA Republicans represent.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5791 on: September 03, 2022, 01:17:15 AM »
‘Unfathomably dangerous’: Former federal prosecutor on Trump’s empty folders warns ‘things just went from bad to worse’



Immediately after a federal judge released the Dept. of Justice's detailed list of items the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago experts agreed among the most concerning details was that there were a large number of empty folders marked "Classified."

NCRM reported the DOJ's inventory list included over 13,000 items, including over 100 documents marked with various classification headers.

Also listed were “43 Empty Folders with ‘CLASSIFIED’ Banners,” and “28 Empty Folders Labeled ‘Return to Staff Secretary/Military Aide."

Glenn Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor of 30 years, tweeted out his surprise and concern.

"OMG!" exclaimed Kirschner ,who is also an MSNBC/NBC News legal analyst. "Court just released an inventory of evidence of crime seized at Mar-a-Lago."

"Dozens of EMPTY folders labeled 'Classified' or 'Return to Military Aide.' Trump didn’t pack up EMPTY folders to take with him to FLA. Things just went from bad to worse to unfathomably dangerous."

Others also expressed concern over the empty folders.

Andrew Weissmann, a former General Counsel of the Federal Bureau of Investigation who has also worked as chief of the criminal fraud section of DOJ observed: "It’s the empty classified folders that are of most concern."

"Where are the contents? Trump has not addressed that at all in all his bluster and obfuscation. What were you doing with these?" asked Weissmann, who also worked for Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

Former Dept. of Defense Special Counsel Ryan Goodman wrote: "This is going to get a lot of attention too: 👉43 Empty Folders with "CLASSIFIED" Banners👈"

"Empty," he emphasized. "Must be fairly alarming to U.S. intelligence community conducting the damage assessment. Now think about how Trump's legal team is trying to keep this info from the FBI/ODNI."

National security attorney Brad Moss wrote, "Very first question the FBI would ask the person who had in their home office 43 empty folders with classified banners is 'where did the documents from those folders go??'"

And later he added: "Why. Are. There. Empty. Folders?"

Read More Here: https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1565722376767250434

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5792 on: September 03, 2022, 03:39:10 AM »
'No less damning': Law professor blows up Trump's 'Twinkie Defense' in Washington Post op-ed

Former President Donald Trump has tried to deflect from the scandal surrounding his handling of top-secret government documents by arguing that he declassified them before he left office and stashed them away at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

But Steve Vladeck, a professor at the University of Texas School of Law, writes in the Washington Post that this excuse is "no less damning" for the former president given all of the other evidence stacked against him.

Vladeck first shows that, despite his claims, there is no paper trail showing that Trump took any official action to declassify such a broad array of national security documents.

Additionally, he argues that even if Trump were to have issued such a stunningly broad declassification order and then kept boxes of highly sensitive secrets lying around his private club that is a frequent target for spies, it would constitute a gross dereliction of duty.

"Trump’s 'defense' would mean that he committed what would have to be the most stunning and indefensible systematic breach of our national security not just by any president in American history, but perhaps by any person," he argues. "In Trump’s version of events, breaching our national security and potentially exposing secrets happened simply because he couldn’t be bothered to handle classified information correctly. It’s not quite the 'Twinkie defense,' the standard for wildly improbable justifications for improper behavior, but it’s not far off."

Read the whole editorial here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/09/02/declassified-mar-a-lago-national-security/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5793 on: September 03, 2022, 07:53:36 AM »
Aaron Rupar @atrupar

"People say this was unprecedented. Well, it's also unprecedented for a POTUS to take all this classified information & put 'em in a country club, ok? And how long is the govt going to try to get that back?" -- Bill Barr bodies Trump on Fox News even as anchors try to defend him

Watch: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1565756415209361409

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5794 on: September 03, 2022, 09:35:20 AM »
Exclusive: Oath Keepers lawyer: 'I hope they get the real perpetrators — Flynn, Byrne, Powell'



The arrest of Kellye SoRelle, the Texas attorney associated with the Oath Keepers on Thursday, on conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and other "offenses" potentially marks a new stage of the prosecution of the perpetrators of the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

SoRelle describes herself as the “general counsel” for the Oath Keepers. The far-right militia's founder Stewart Rhodes and eight other members face charges of seditious conspiracy.

But, SoRelle says she served as interim leader of the Oath Keepers for two weeks following Rhodes’ arrest in January 2022.

To date, the conspiracy charges against Oath Keepers members — including seditious conspiracy against Rhodes and other leaders, and lesser conspiracy charges against a larger group of members — allege a pattern of coordination limited within the organization. But the recent arrest of SoRelle, someone with extensive ties to an array of election deniers broadly involved in the effort to overturn the election and on the ground at the Capitol on Jan. 6, potentially opens the door to conspiracy charges against a wider network of operatives.

Since her first appearance in federal court in Austin on Thursday, SoRelle has been tweeting about her case.

“So, the clear question is… if I am the patsy,” she tweeted. “That means the entire election challenge front was all a set up for the conservatives, because they are all protected. Good luck y’all. They won’t stop with me.”

In a direct message to Raw Story on Twitter, SoRelle pointed the finger at three high-profile Trump allies: retired Lt. General Flynn, attorney Sidney Powell and retired Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne. Powell filed multiple lawsuits seeking to overturn the election, while Flynn rallied Trump supporters at protests and media appearances, and Byrne covered travel and lodging costs for a wide array of volunteer researchers and analysts seeking to reverse the election.

“Only thing I have to say, I hope they get the real perpetrators — Flynn, Byrne, Powell etc., those behind the Big Lie that set up the conservatives,” SoRelle told Raw Story.



Byrne responded by text with one word: “Silly.” Joe Flynn, the brother of Michael Flynn, was more blunt: “F*** off.” Powell could not be reached for comment.

SoRelle previously testified by video before the House Select Committee to Investigate the Attack on the US Capitol. During a brief clip of SoRelle’s testimony that was presented to the public in July, SoRelle implicated political strategist and longtime Trump ally Roger Stone, InfoWars host Alex Jones and “Stop the Steal” organizer Ali Alexander.

When an investigator asked her to confirm that Stone, Jones and Alexander were “the leader of these rallies,” SoRelle responded, “Those are the ones that became like the center point for everything.”

A lawyer for Stone responded shortly after the hearing that his client “engaged in only legally protected, First Amendment activities.”

Court documents indicate that SoRelle was actively involved in the Oath Keepers’ tactical planning while also volunteering for legal efforts to overturn the election. Meanwhile, previous reporting shows, SoRelle cultivated ties with other election denier groups, including Latinos for Trump and Veterans for Trump, that were on the ground at or near the Capitol on Jan. 6.

The indictment unveiled against SoRelle on Thursday alleges that she knowingly combined, conspired, confederated and agreed with other persons to corruptly obstruct, influence and impede Congress’ certification of the Electoral College vote. To date, the government has not revealed any other co-conspirators in its conspiracy case against SoRelle.

In a transcript of a Nov. 9, 2020 GoToMeeting conference call that was filed in court earlier this year, SoRelle updated members of the Oath Keepers on her involvement in legal efforts to challenge the election. SoRelle has said elsewhere that she volunteered with Lawyers for Trump, and was sent to Detroit to investigate election irregularities.

“And then you have the Giuliani pals, I guess, previewing the Campaign pod that’s trying to solve the mystery of the ballots,” SoRelle told Oath Keepers members during the conference call, referencing Rudy Giuliani, then-President Trump’s personal lawyer. “So, I’ve been in communication. I obviously work for the [Republican National Committee] version of it, and then I’m in — I like the Q crowd, they’re kind of fun — and then I’ve been meeting with the campaign crowd.”

On Dec. 18, 2020, an open letter from Rhodes and SoRelle was published, calling on Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.

Calling on Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and call the National Guard into service, Rhodes and SoRelle warned that if the president failed to act and left office prior to Joe Biden’s inauguration, it would force “We the People to fight a desperate revolution/civil war against an illegitimate usurper and his Chicom puppet regime.”

Without presenting evidence, the document claimed that “through well-orchestrated mass vote fraud, the Communist Chinese and their domestic enemy allies are about to install their illegitimate puppet, Joe Biden.” As federal and state courts dismissed election challenges and state officials refused capitulate to Trump’s demand to reverse the results, Rhodes and SoRelle claimed that “complicit traitors have been put into place in every branch of government (legislative, executive, judicial) at every level (local, state, federal).”

“Know this,” Rhodes and SoRelle concluded in their overture to Trump. “Millions of American military and law enforcement veterans, and many millions of more loyal patriotic American gun owners stand ready to answer your call to arms, and to obey your orders to get this done.”

Rhodes and SoRelle’s call paralleled an effort by retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, lawyer Sidney Powell and former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, who paid an unexpected visit to Trump in the Oval Office to ask him to deploy the National Guard to seize voting machinery, which also took place on Dec. 18.

As Trump supporters converged in Washington, DC in the days leading up to Congress’ scheduled session to certify the electoral vote, SoRelle and Rhodes appeared to network with a wide array of other figures who were vociferously promoting the view that the election was stolen.

Most famously, perhaps, SoRelle was present during a Jan. 5 meeting between Rhodes and Proud Boys national chairman Enrique Tarrio in a DC hotel parking garage shortly after Tarrio was released by a DC court and ordered to leave the city, with charges pending for burning a BLM flag stolen from a Black church and illegal ammunition. Bianca Gracia, president of Latinos for Trump, and Joshua Macias, cofounder of Veterans for Trump, were also present during the brief meeting.

Video posted by Jonathon Mosely, an attorney who previously represented Oath Keepers defendant Kelly Meggs, shows Gracia and Macias approach Tarrio first, followed by SoRelle and Rhodes. After Gracia and Macias embraced Tarrio, Gracia introduced Tarrio to SoRelle.

“I want you to meet this attorney, Kellye,” Gracia said. “She’s from Texas.” Then, Tarrio and Rhodes shook hands, and exchanged pleasantries.

At the time, Macias was out on bond after being charged with weapons offenses outside the Philadelphia Convention Center, where votes were being tabulated on Nov. 5, 2020. Antonio LaMotta, who was also charged alongside Macias for weapons offenses in Philadelphia following the election, was arrested last month on charges related to the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

SoRelle, Macias, Gracia and Rhodes were together again that day for a roundtable discussion livestreamed on Facebook from a hotel room by Virginia state Sen. Amanda Chase.

“That same community are the most well-trained, crucible-trained combat veterans that this world has ever seen,” Macias said during the livestream. “And they are the brother, the sister, the uncle… those that would open up and help you buy your shoes, okay. These are veterans out there that are well trained that can… be brought in as a special group and be utilized in any shape or form at [Trump’s] disposal. And we have a million in Vets for Trump just right now, standing at the ready, let alone those within one degree of separation.

“So, here we sit at a precipice of change where we have a community that’s ready to step in, do what is needed,” Macias continued. “The president has all the power and the authority to do so, and he has the backing of We The People….”

Rhodes concurred, echoing a point made in the Dec. 18 open letter that he and SoRelle addressed to Trump.

“In fact, us veterans, until age 65, under federal statute, still are subject to being called up,” Rhodes said. “That goes for seventeen to forty-five if you’re not a veteran…. He can call us up right now and put us to work.”

SoRelle was a featured speaker, alongside Gracia and Macias, at a “Freedom Rally” co-hosted by Latinos for Trump and Virginia Freedom Keepers near the Russell Office Building on Jan. 6.

Later, SoRelle and Rhodes walked over to the east side of the Capitol, where dozens of Oath Keepers members breached the building in stack formations. In an interview last September with David Sumrall, an election denier who campaigns to support Jan. 6 defendants, SoRelle insisted she was not aware of any prior planning to breach the Capitol.

“Well, Stewart had guys that were protecting the different speakers at different events, namely Ali Alexander, who was supposed to have one literally on the Capitol grounds,” SoRelle told Sumrall. “Then, everybody’s like, ‘Well, we don’t know where everybody’s at. This is chaos. Like, what the heck?’ So, that’s why we ended up at the Capitol. We went down there just to see if he could locate his people, you know. And then next thing you take it to crazy la-la land, as in everybody’s the mastermind, and whatever.”

SoRelle has previously cast suspicion on Byrne, Flynn’s ally. In a rambling affidavit shared on Twitter last November, SoRelle claimed that a former Trump administration Department employee named Jason Funes showed her a video of a man that claimed he flew to the Capitol with Byrne and Jason Sullivan, the provocateur who filmed Ashli Babbit’s shooting. SoRelle wrote that the man, a former Proud Boy named Thad Cisneros, “was recorded stating that he flew to Washington, DC with Patrick Byrne and the Sullivan brothers, and that Patrick Byrne paid for the provocateurs to be at the Capitol.”

Funes and Cisneros both told Raw Story in June that SoRelle’s account of Cisneros’ statement on the video was inaccurate.

Byrne also disputed SoRelle’s account, but volunteered that it was possible that he flew Gracia and Tarrio from Texas to Washington, DC in December 2020.

Byrne shared a Signal thread for “TAP leadership” with Raw Story in June. The thread included personnel associated with The America Project, an election denier group in Florida that he founded with the Flynn brothers.

“Kellye is crazy and likes to make s*** up,” Joe Flynn wrote.

Gracia distanced herself from Cisneros, saying he was rumored to be an “informant.”

“At this point, everyone is either an informant or domestic terrorist,” she said.

https://www.rawstory.com/kellye-sorelle/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5795 on: September 03, 2022, 09:58:47 AM »
Trump goes on a conspiracy theory binge as his legal exposure intensifies: report



Donald Trump has a long history of promoting far-right conspiracy theories. During the Barack Obama years, he promoted the racist and totally baseless claim that then-President Obama was really born in Kenya — and after being sworn in as president in January 2017, he had no problem with Alex Jones’ Infowars being granted White House press credentials. Trump is the first president in U.S. history to be voted out of office only to spend month after month falsely claiming that the election was stolen from him through widespread voter fraud — a claim that has been repeatedly debunked.

But journalist Stuart A. Thompson, in an article published by the New York Times on September 2, warns that Trump’s fondness for outlandish conspiracy theories has grown even worse than it was when he was president.

“Mr. Trump has spent more than a decade on social media attacking enemies, cozying up to far-right ideas and sharing false information,” Thompson explains. “He used Twitter to perpetuate the lie that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and later deemed one investigation after another partisan witch hunts. But, as his legal exposure intensifies over his handling of government documents, the former president this week crossed over to a more direct embrace of claims batted around the dark corners on the internet. His winks and nods to the far right became enthusiastic endorsements, and his flirtations with convoluted conspiratorial ideas became more overt.”

Thompson continues, “He shared a flurry of 61 posts written by Truth Social users, many of whom had ties to QAnon, an online conspiracy movement aligned with the former president. One post included ‘the storm,’ which QAnon followers use to describe the day when the movement’s enemies will be violently punished. The strategy partly mirrors Mr. Trump’s chaotic approach during moments of crisis, searching for a message to ignite supporters while shifting attention away from his controversies. But the posts this week appeared especially haphazard, opening a door to the former president’s thought process even as his legal team tries to craft a cogent defense against the Justice Department’s investigation.”

Trump was banned from Twitter following the January 6, 2021 insurrection, and Facebook has banned him as well. But launching his own Social Media platform, Social Media, has made it easy for Trump to promote conspiracy theories online as much as he wants, according to Thompson.

“Now, unshackled from mainstream rules and decorum, Mr. Trump speaks to a much smaller base of supporters — fewer than four million followers — using fiery rhetoric and echoing the conspiracy theories, such as QAnon, that remain popular on the platform,” Thompson observes. “The posts have alarmed disinformation experts, who fear that Mr. Trump’s incendiary remarks could further inflame political tensions. After the Mar-a-Lago search, an armed man tried to enter an FBI office and was killed by the police.”

Trump’s recent Truth Social posts, according to Thompson, “suggest that he is increasingly attuned to voices in far-right and fringe publications that are even friendlier to his cause” than Fox News.

“Some posts included content commonly found in the dark back channels of the internet, where QAnon conspiracy theorists cling to outlandish ideas about Satan-worshiping Democratic pedophiles and a nationwide cover-up of widespread voter fraud,” Thompson observes. “Mr. Trump shared content this week from at least 24 accounts tied to QAnon, according to an analysis by Alex Kaplan, a senior researcher at Media Matters for America, a progressive think tank.”

Read More Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/trump-conspiracy-theories-truth-social.html



Trump faces possible obstruction of justice charges for concealing classified government documents – 2 important things to know about what this means



A court filing by the Justice Department just minutes before midnight on Aug. 30, 2022, was a sharply worded attack on former President Donald Trump’s request for a so-called “special master” – a neutral arbiter – to review the documents the FBI seized at his estate, Mar-a-Lago, earlier in the month.

Bottom line: The Justice Department says the documents don’t belong to Trump and says someone has deliberately concealed documents marked classified from a federal grand jury investigation. The department has not yet publicly stated who they believe is guilty of this crime – whether Trump himself, members of his team, or both.

In the filing, the Justice Department wrote, “The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.”

The Conversation asked Georgia State University legal expert Clark Cunningham, an authority on search warrants, to describe the meaning of obstruction, and why Trump may be charged with this crime.


The crime of obstruction, and a particular version of it

There are 21 different federal crimes that involve obstruction of justice. One of the obstruction laws, called Section 1519, is violated if someone “knowingly conceals any document with the intent to obstruct” – or block – a federal investigation. That’s obstruction of a federal investigation, and conviction for this crime can result in up to 20 years of prison.

For example, Jesse Benton, who managed Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign, was convicted of violating Section 1519 when he concealed improper campaign payments from the Federal Election Commission. Trump later pardoned Benton in December 2020.

The FBI cites Section 1519 in its Mar-a-Lago search warrant and in the recently unsealed affidavit submitted to a Florida court to obtain the warrant. But until the Department of Justice’s Aug. 30, 2022, midnight court filing, the public did not know what kind of concealment and what kind of obstruction the department was alleging Trump committed.



Why the government alleges this crime was committed at Mar-a-Lago

A federal grand jury subpoena demanded on May 11, 2022, that Trump turn over all documents with classified markings to the government.

The FBI was informed by Trump representatives in a sworn statement at Mar-a-Lago on June 3 that all documents marked classified were being turned over that day. This statement has now been proved to be false.

Trump was aware of the FBI’s June 3 visit to Mar-a-Lago. In his own court filings he has said that he personally met the FBI agents when they arrived.

Despite the sworn statement that no more documents marked as classified remained at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI found 76 documents marked classified in a storage room during its subsequent Aug. 8, 2022 search of Mar-a-Lago. They also found documents marked “Top Secret” in a container in Trump’s private office. The agents also seized a desk drawer in that office containing documents marked classified that were mixed in with other items, including Trump’s passports.

The government believes that the false statement made to the agents on June 3, as well as other evidence they have not yet disclosed, shows there was a deliberate plan to conceal documents that should have been given to the grand jury.

Before the Aug. 30 filing, it appeared that Trump’s most serious risk of criminal liability involved violating the Espionage Act by willfully retaining documents relating to national security after he left office. Revelation of these new details emphasize another offense to be added to the list of his possible crimes: obstruction of a federal investigation.

https://theconversation.com/trump-faces-possible-obstruction-of-justice-charges-for-concealing-classified-government-documents-2-important-things-to-know-about-what-this-means-189737