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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5516 on: July 20, 2022, 07:53:48 AM »
Stop the Steal organizer tried to stop the certification of Barack Obama in 2009 too: report



The Stop the Steal rally at the White House on Jan. 6 was organized, in part, by Women for America First, a pro-Donald Trump group started by Amy Kremer. Her daughter, Kylie Jane Kremer, was the main organizer and signed off on the documents for the event.

In a piece by the New York Times Tuesday, it was revealed that the elder Kremer has a history of trying to stop a president she didn't like from being certified as the president.

"Barack Obama had just won the election by a popular-vote margin of more than 9.5 million," the report recalled. "The lawsuits Kremer alluded to were not about these votes but about Obama’s eligibility to run for the presidency in the first place. Several legal complaints filed in state and federal court (all of them dismissed) asserted that Obama was not born in the United States and was thus barred from seeking the presidency — a false claim that, as late as the end of Obama’s presidency, 41 percent of Republicans said they believed."

Kremer then became a prominent organizer in the so-called "tea party" and then helped organize the women's group supporting Trump.

"I come from the Tea Party movement, and I’m asked all the time: What happened to the Tea Party?" Kremer told a rally crowd. "Well, we’re still here. We just grew and morphed into something bigger and better — the MAGA movement."

Kremer's daughter was the one who text messaged MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell on Jan. 4: "POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol... POTUS is going to just call for it 'unexpectedly.'" Phase 2 was for the group to them attack the Supreme Court because they refused to intervene and hand Trump the election.

One question that persists in the House Select Committee is how Alex Jones, Ali Alexander, Roger Stone, and the Kremers all knew that Donald Trump was going to go off script and announce that the group was going to march to the Capitol if it was unexpected.

"Kremer’s 'Stop the Steal' Facebook group acquired 320,000 members in its first 22 hours," the Times reported. "Facebook banned the group almost immediately when its planning for demonstrations in swing states was quickly subsumed in threats to kill liberals and calls for civil war. Women for America First took its organizing offline, planning a bus tour called the March for Trump that would culminate in a rally in Washington. One of its organizers was Dustin Stockton, a veteran activist Kremer met a decade before when they were both working on the Tea Party Express, an organization that toured the country by bus, rallying crowds on behalf of Tea Party candidates."

Stockton said that he was using "a lot of the same people who organized our Tea Party rallies to organize the bus-tour rallies" for the Stop the Steal buses.

Their ranks were increased slightly by those who were furious over COVID-19 lockdowns and far-right evangelicals who promoted the conspiracy theory the lockdowns as anti-Christian efforts of secularists to kill Christians.

"Their rhetoric would carry over to Stop the Steal, which accused many of the same Democratic governors and state officials of rigging the election against Trump with the expansions of absentee voting during the pandemic," the Times explained.

The bus tours became known as a kind of foretold insurrection with local Republican politicians invoking violence and calling for the murder of liberals.

"I jokingly told some folks in the Tea Party, see, we’d solve every problem in this country if on the Fourth of July every conservative went and shot one liberal,” said Tea Party activist and county commissioner Bob Cavanaugh, who spoke to a crowd in December before the attack.

That violent rhetoric increased over the years with the encouragement of Trump. Former New Mexico county commissioner Couy Griffin, founder of Cowboys for Trump, warned at a Jan. 3 rally in Bowling Green, Kentucky.: “If we allow this election to be stolen from us, we will become a third-world country overnight. The elitist, gross, wicked, vile people that are in place will continue to wage war on America. Because there is a war, mind you. I promise you that."

In May of 2020, he told a rally crowd, “I’ve come to the conclusion that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat. I say that in the political sense."

The House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on Congress and attempt to overthrow the election hasn't delved into the details about who funded the trips to Washington and organized the attack on Congress to stop the election certification.

The FEC has referred several cases involving Amy Kremer to the Treasury Department for non-filing and other issues.

Read the full report on how the tea party became the MAGA party at the New York Times.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5517 on: July 20, 2022, 07:59:19 AM »
'Y’all need to go get yourself a good criminal defense attorney': Former Trump admin aide tells his colleagues



During a discussion about the Rep. Jody Hice (R-GA) being subpoenaed by the Fulton County District Attorney, former Homeland Security Department chief of staff Miles Taylor suggested that allies of Donald Trump should consider getting lawyers if they haven't already.

Hice, a firm "states rights" advocate, is begging that the grand jury be moved from the state to the federal court system. The case, however, involves the violation of state election laws.

"The first thing you pointed out has to be underscored, is the massive conflicts of interest here that we didn't necessarily know about when congress was trying to create first a version of the 9/11 commission -- to model something around Jan. 6 that was like the 9/11 commission and then subsequently trying to get Republicans to agree to the select committee," said Taylor. "At that time a lot of folks thought it was just partisan politics, but we're starting to find out that there's a whole array of targets of potential criminal investigations, sitting members of Congress who were very involved in this saying, 'No, no, no, we don't want this scrutiny.' That's what's really very terrifying about this. They're trying to use their official power to put their thumb on the scales to prevent themselves from getting in trouble."

He noted that the law that has been broken isn't an "arcane" or "obscure" one, it's the U.S. Constitution that members are sworn to uphold.

"These members of Congress aren't people who can say, well, I didn't know the law and didn't know how it worked," Taylor explained. "Not that that's a good defense, as the lawyers will tell me, but these are people who lived that cycle. They lived that process. They go through the electoral process. They absolutely knew better. Nicolle, if we were making jokes about this, somewhere in here it would be a public service announcement for people who are around Donald Trump. The PSA would be: 'Y'all need to go get yourself a good criminal defense attorney because they're starting to go into the network.' These prosecutors are starting to go around the people around Donald Trump and it will have big implications. Allies like Jody Hice, they're getting dragged into courtrooms and in front of prosecutors. It's an indicator not that they potentially were involved in bad things, but that the ex-president is going to be dealing with a much-diminished set of loyalists if he decides to make a comeback in this political system."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5518 on: July 20, 2022, 08:07:29 AM »
Sarah Longwell @SarahLongwell25

Just had another focus group of Trump voters where ZERO wanted Trump to run again in 2024. Really a striking departure from dozens and dozens of focus groups pre-Jan 6 hearings when at least half of any Trump-voting group wanted him to run again. His support is noticeably softer.

https://twitter.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1549156542259363842

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5519 on: July 20, 2022, 11:29:29 PM »
Georgia prosecutors say all 16 fake Trump electors are targets in criminal probe
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/politics/georgia-grand-jury-trump-electors/index.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5520 on: July 21, 2022, 06:56:08 AM »
9/11 families to protest Trump's Saudi golf tournament on his own turf with Bedminster press event

Families of 9/11 victims are taking their fight against the government of Saudi Arabia directly to the home turf of former President Donald Trump.

In a new press release, the organization 9/11 Families United said it will be denouncing Trump's decision to host a Saudi-backed golf tournament next Tuesday with a press conference in Bedminster, New Jersey.

"While members of the Saudi-funded LIV golf tour prepare to continue 'sportswashing' the Kingdom's reputation by playing in another tournament on U.S. soil, 9/11 Families United and members of the 9/11 community will remind them next week yet again that Saudi Arabia provided support for al-Qaeda and the 9/11 hijackers."

The group then argued that it was particularly wrong to have a Saudi-hosted golf tournament just "50 miles from Ground Zero" and they also pledged to "discuss the recently declassified documents that demonstrate direct Saudi support for 9/11 hijackers."

The group has repeatedly called upon Trump to call off the tournament, although at the moment it appears he has no plans to do so.

Juliette Scauso, whose father was killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks more than 20 years ago, told CNN this week that Trump's decision to host the Saudi tournament was "disgusting."

"Now he's taking money from them and profiting from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia," she said. "Meanwhile, the kingdom is currently awaiting trial in federal court against the 9/11 families over these attacks. You know, of course, we are awaiting that justice, but yeah, it's hard to find the words."



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5521 on: July 21, 2022, 10:22:37 AM »
Donnie is a loser! Still begging GOP officials to steal the election for him.

Wisconsin GOP Leader Says Trump's Still Begging Him To Decertify 2020 Election



A top Republican in Wisconsin says former President Donald Trump swung and missed in an attempt to coax him into decertifying the state’s 2020 presidential election results.

Wisconsin State Assembly Speaker Robin Vos said Trump called him last week asking him to decertify President Joe Biden’s win in his state.

Vos told Wisconsin’s WISN-TV that the call followed the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s ruling earlier this month that limited absentee ballot drop-box locations to election offices.

Trump, after the ruling, falsely claimed on his Truth Social platform that the ruling meant he won Wisconsin because the state used “corrupt and scandal-ridden Scam Boxes.”

The former president later made a pitch to Vos and suggested he had a “decision to make” on the outcome of the election in the state.

Biden beat Trump in the state by fewer than 21,000 votes, and he received the state’s 10 Electoral College votes.

“It’s very consistent, he makes his case, which I respect. He would like us to do something different in Wisconsin,” Vos said of Trump’s call last week.

"I explained it’s not allowed under the Constitution. He has a different opinion, and then he put out the [post]. So that’s it.”

Vos referred to a post Trump later added to Truth Social that referred to him as a RINO, or “a Republican in name only.”

“Looks like Speaker Robin Vos, a long time professional RINO always looking to guard his flank, will be doing nothing about the amazing Wisconsin Supreme Court decision,” Trump wrote.

“The Democrats would like to sincerely thank Robin, and all of his fellow RINOs, for letting them get away with ‘murder.’”

Vos reiterated that the ruling, however, doesn’t “go back and say what happened in 2020 was illegal.”

“I think we all know Donald Trump is Donald Trump,” Vos said. “There’s very little we can do to control or predict what he will do.”

Trump, in a response to the interview on Tuesday night, continued to assert that it was Vos’ “time to act” in response to the ruling.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5522 on: July 22, 2022, 05:42:28 AM »
'Dereliction of duty': Retired generals and admirals slam Trump for 'endangering American lives' on Jan. 6



On Thursday, writing for The New York Times, several retired four-star generals and admirals tore into former President Donald Trump, arguing that his actions on January 6th, 2021 — and leading up to it — amounted to a "dereliction of duty."

The military leaders include Adm. Steve Abbot, Gen. Peter Chiarelli, Gen. John Jumper, Adm. James Loy, Adm. John Nathman, Adm. William Owens and Gen. Johnnie Wilson.

"In the weeks leading up to that terrible day, allies of Mr. Trump also urged him to hold on to power by unlawfully ordering the military to seize voting machines and supervise a do-over of the election. Such an illegal order would have imperiled a foundational precept of American democracy: civilian control of the military," they wrote. "Americans may take it for granted, but the strength of our democracy rests upon the stability of this arrangement, which requires both civilian and military leaders to have confidence that they have the same goal of supporting and defending the Constitution."

Compounding this, they wrote, was Trump's refusal to use necessary military resources to stop the attack on the Capitol.

"When a mob attacked the Capitol, the commander in chief failed to act to restore order and even encouraged the rioters. As Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified to Congress, Vice President Mike Pence attempted to fill the void by calling on the National Guard to intervene," they wrote. "Given the urgent need to secure the Capitol, Mr. Pence’s request was reasonable. Yet the vice president has no role in the chain of command unless specifically acting under the president’s authority because of illness or incapacitation, and therefore cannot lawfully issue orders to the military. Members of Congress, who also pleaded for military assistance as the mob laid siege to the Capitol, are in the same category."

"The principle of civilian control of the military predates the founding of the Republic," they concluded. "In 1775, George Washington was commissioned as the military commander of the Continental Army under the civilian command authority of the Second Continental Congress. The next year, among the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence against King George III was his making 'the military independent of and superior to the civil power.' The president’s dereliction of duty on Jan. 6 tested the integrity of this historic principle as never before, endangering American lives and our democracy."

You can read more here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/january-6-trump-military.html