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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5313 on: June 17, 2022, 12:46:04 PM »
The key 30 minutes that could result in incitement charges against Trump



CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin on Thursday explained the legal significance of a critical 30-minute period during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer interviewed Toobin following the latest televised hearing by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"How significant is it that Trump was repeatedly told that his plan to overturn the presidential election was illegal?" Blitzer asked.

"Not only that, but the -- the real issue, I think, in terms of the president's potential criminal liability goes to the issue of incitement of violence," he explained. "And the half-hour between 2:00 and 2:30 is critical. That is when the Capitol is breeched. That's when his aides go to him and say, you know, you got to do something to cool this out, this is -- this is dangerous and what is the president do? At 2:24, he sends the tweet that Kaitlin [Collins] mentioned, which doesn't cool things out. It does the opposite, it incites the crowd to -- to attack Mike Pence, to -- to hang Mike Pence and the jeopardy only gets worse."

"That, to me -- that 2:24 tweet -- is evidence of incitement. Now, will it is enough for a criminal case? I don't know. There is a lot more we have to know but that is a very dangerous moment," Toobin says.

Although Trump's Twitter account was deleted when he was permanently suspended from the social media platform for inciting violence, the American Presidency Project at the University of California Santa Barbara has a public archive of Trump's tweets on Jan. 6.

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Trump tweeted at 2:24.

Trump's final tweet on Jan. 6 came after 11 p.m.

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!" Trump urged.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5314 on: June 17, 2022, 01:32:43 PM »
WATCH: Proud Boys would have killed Pence if they found him, Rep. Aguilar says, citing informant

Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif., said on June 16 that a court filing indicated that an informant from the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, would have killed former Vice President Mike Pence during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, if given the chance.

The informant “said that anyone they got their hands on they would've killed, including [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi.”
As Pence was being evacuated, he and his entourage came within 40 feet of the rioters, Aguilar said.

As Pence was being evacuated, he and his entourage came within 40 feet of the rioters, Aguilar said.
Greg Jacob, Pence’s lawyer, said he was unaware at the time at how close rioters were to the vice president during the Capitol attack.

“I could hear the rioters in the building while we moved, but I do not think I was aware that they were as close as that,” Jacob said.

The hearing was the third of several planned by the Jan. 6 committee that focused on Trump’s efforts to pressure former Vice President Mike Pence to reject Congress' official count of Electoral College votes on the day of the attack. In the year since its creation, the committee has conducted more than 1,000 interviews, seeking critical information and documents from people witness to, or involved in, the violence that day. The committee postponed a hearing scheduled for June 15 that was meant to focus on Trump's efforts to replace Attorney General Bill Barr, who did not support his claims of voter fraud after the election.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5315 on: June 17, 2022, 01:58:58 PM »
Another right wing conspiracy has been debunked.

Right wingers continue to lie about President Biden making us "dependent on oil and energy from foreign countries" when Biden's own platform was to get us off foreign dependency.

The right makes the absurd lie that the United States was "energy independent" under Trump and all of a sudden magically in one and a half years, Biden made us "dependent on energy". In fact, these liars were trying to say that last year. Nothing of that magnitude can happen that fast which makes their conspiracy a total joke.

The right continues to lie accusing Biden of not drilling for oil in the United States when in fact permits has increased under Biden but Big Oil refuses to use those permits to drill because they are making BILLIONS in profits by not drilling.

So the next time you this garbage from the right you know it's another conspiracy to falsely attack Biden.             


U.S. oil and gas permitting has increased under Biden, data shows



Ever since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Republican politicians, conservative pundits and fossil fuel industry leaders have accused President Biden of weakening the U.S.’s economic power against Russia by reducing oil and gas production.

Last week, for example, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said, “Joe Biden has given up the best defense we had against [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s evil vision for the world — energy independence.”

But a data dashboard unveiled Wednesday by the Center for Western Priorities shows that the opposite is true. The federal government has been issuing oil and gas drilling permits more willingly than it did during President Donald Trump’s first three years in office, and it could be issuing even more if the oil and gas industry weren’t leaving many current leases undeveloped.

Right now, the industry is sitting on 9,173 approved but unused drilling permits on federal and tribal lands. This is mystifying to some observers, who note that filing for those permits has already cost operators more than $10,000 each. The permits also expire after two years, with only one extension allowed. More than 26 million acres of federal land — an area comparable to the size of Kentucky — are currently under lease for oil and gas drilling. Of that, slightly more than half — 13.9 million acres, equivalent to the size of West Virginia — are not being used.

Despite Biden’s stated desire to combat climate change by reducing American dependence on fossil fuels that cause global warming, his administration has readily approved oil and gas drilling permit applications.

“The Interior Department, the Bureau of Land Management, under both Biden and Trump, essentially operates as a rubber stamp,” said Jesse Prentice-Dunn, policy director for the Center for Western Priorities at a data presentation on Wednesday afternoon.

In fiscal year 2021, 98 percent of drilling permit applications were approved. So far this year, 96 percent of permit applications have been approved. During fiscal year 2020, the last year of the Trump administration, the approval rate was 94 percent. In terms of raw numbers, more drilling permits were approved during Biden’s first year in office than in any of Trump’s first three years.

“This is not some situation where the Biden administration and the Trump administration were treating permits all that differently,” Prentice-Dunn said. “Obviously, [it’s] to the dismay of environmentalists, but they’re still approving permits.”

This would seem to contradict claims made by people such as American Petroleum Institute (API) president Mike Sommers, who wrote on the day Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine that “the administration continues to block U.S. energy production.”

“Over the last two weeks, the oil and gas industry has mounted a PR campaign in an attempt to loosen regulations and open more public lands for drilling, while sitting on a massive stockpile of approved but unused drilling permits that are ready to go right now, as well as thousands of idle leases for future drilling,” said Jennifer Rokala, executive director of the Center for Western Priorities, during Wednesday’s presentation.

The oil industry hasn’t ramped up production enough to keep pace with surging demand and higher prices as the economy has rebounded from the pandemic-induced recession. Historically, the number of U.S. oil rigs has tracked closely behind oil prices, as producers respond to market signals. Since the summer of 2020, however, crude oil prices have shot up to well above pre-pandemic levels, but the number of oil rigs remains below their 2019 level. Industry observers say oil companies are protecting profits for investors — which surge when prices rise — rather than expanding supply.

“Oil companies have pulled back pretty hard in the last year and a half, even as they’ve climbed out of the pandemic drop in activity,” Brad Handler, a researcher at the Colorado School of Mines and a former Wall Street research analyst covering oil drilling, said during Wednesday’s presentation. “So, as we look at 2022, what the companies have announced to their investors is that that capital discipline will continue, even though it’s becoming more and more obvious to them that oil prices have some substance underneath them and oil and gas prices are not going to simply fall very quickly.”

Biden seemingly referred to this phenomenon on Tuesday when he said, during an announcement of a ban on importation of Russian oil, “Russia’s aggression is costing us all, and it’s no time for profiteering or price gouging.”

The oil industry contends that it is maximizing current potential output and that it is common to buy leases and file permit applications for areas where it is not yet ready to drill.

“We are at a two-decade high for the percentage of leases in production, with nearly two out of three leases producing natural gas and oil,” API senior vice president Frank Macchiarola said in a statement sent to Yahoo News via a spokesperson. “Leases are issued prior to exploration, and not every acreage of leased land has resources to tap into, despite substantial investments by developers.”

Environmental organizations counter that assertion by noting that since the U.S. is actually a net exporter of oil and gas — though one that is vulnerable to price shocks — the only effective long-term strategy for energy security is to reduce dependence on fossil fuels. Biden has a proposal, passed by the House of Representatives but sitting in the Senate, where it faces unified opposition from Republicans, that within five years would reduce U.S. oil consumption by more than the amount it has been importing from Russia.

On a press call Tuesday, a senior Biden administration official gave no indication that the White House is rethinking its long-term commitment to transitioning to renewable energy, but they did call for oil companies to alleviate short-term pain at the pump by increasing output.

“It's a time for oil and gas companies to work with Wall Street to unleash our productive capacity,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We need our domestic oil and gas industry to use their leases, use their permits, use financing from Wall Street to respond to price signals and continue increasing their production."

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https://news.yahoo.com/us-oil-and-gas-permitting-has-increased-under-biden-data-show-223504727.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5316 on: June 17, 2022, 03:03:38 PM »
Mary Trump says her uncle was ‘handing down a death sentence’ with his 2:24 tweet against Mike Pence



Psychologist Mary Trump said her uncle, Donald Trump, sought to execute his own vice president on Jan. 6 as he sought to stay in office despite losing the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden.

She was interviewed by MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Thursday following another televised hearing by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

She told him, "what people need to understand is that Donald Trump doesn't believe that he should be denied anything he wants," she said. "And when somebody who showed himself as weak sycophantic as Mike Pence has the audacity -- has the temerity -- to stand up to him, Donald isn't going to take it well."

"So, that, I believe, was probably the first moment that Donald started think, wait a minute, I may not be getting my way as easily as I believe I should," she explained. "And it probably sent everybody in that room into a full-out panic."

She also discussed the tweet Trump sent at 2:24 p.m. eastern time on Jan. 6, 2021.

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Trump tweeted.

Mary Trump offered her analysis of the tweet even shocking Trump's staff.

"So, yes, I guess they were shocked by the fact that he finally crossed that line. In fact, one person said that when he most needed to be a moderating influence, he put gasoline on the fire. I think we need to be more explicit, what he was doing was handing down a death sentence," she said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5317 on: June 17, 2022, 03:44:36 PM »
New York Times video blows the lid off Proud Boys' 'central role' in inciting Capitol mob



The New York Times published a 17-minute video showing how the Proud Boys coordinated the assault on the U.S. Capitol.

The newspaper compiled evidence from court documents, text messages and hundreds of videos shot by participants to show the right-wing militant group instigating multiple breaches of the Capitol as lawmakers certified the election of Joe Biden.

Five members of the group -- Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Enrique Tarrio, Dominic Pezzola and Zachary Rehl -- are charged with seditious conspiracy for their roles in the attack, and the video shows some of them explicitly laying out their plan to storm the Capitol and overturn Donald Trump's election loss.

"This time we're not going to be wearing the colors that you're used to seeing us in," Biggs says in a video recorded before the riot. "Nope, this time myself and other leadership have decided we're going to go incognito. We're going to be blending in ... you aren't going to know who the f*** is standing beside you. Could be Antifa, could be me."

The House Select Committee singled out Biggs in the first public hearing as the lead instigator of the first breach of Capitol security, and federal prosecutors have alleged that he and other Proud Boys leaders coordinated the assault with members of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia.

"I want to see thousands of normies burn that city to ash today," said one unindicted co-conspirator, according to court records highlighted by the Times.

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https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000008392796/rile-up-the-normies-how-proud-boys-breached-the-capitol.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5318 on: June 18, 2022, 01:00:40 PM »
Judge Luttig: US headed for ‘protracted democratic instability’ unless GOP finally disqualifies Trump



A deeply conservative former judge who testified before the House select committee warned that Republicans must withdraw their support for Donald Trump to save democracy.

Former federal judge J. Michael Luttig told the select committee that Trump and his allies were openly plotting to steal another election, and he said U.S. democracy was at a “perilous crossroads" -- and he's not alone in his fears of coming political instability, reported the Washington Post.

"The foreboding expressed by Luttig and others is shared by experts who study democratic breakdown," wrote Post columnist Greg Sargent. "When Luttig says we’re at a 'perilous crossroads,' and says only Republicans can 'bring an end' to the threat, he’s not alone."

Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way, professors of government and politics, recently warned the U.S. was heading into an "age of instability," which they said was not a civil war but more of a smoldering conflict like "the Troubles" in Ireland.

“Such a scenario would be marked by frequent constitutional crises, including contested or stolen elections,” they wrote. "This portends 'heightened political violence, they suggested, including assassinations, bombings and violent confrontations in the streets, 'often tolerated and even incited by politicians.'"

The professors and Luttig all agreed that Republicans must take decisive action against Trump and his allies who conspired to illegally overturn his election loss, and they the GOP must purge themselves of "authoritarian forces" to save democracy.

“It would make all the difference in the world,” Levitsky said, adding that Republicans must send a message to their own. “This is beyond the pale. We don’t do this in America.”

Luttig agreed, saying GOP elites must forcefully denounce pro-coup candidates and disqualify Trump from running again.

"If they don’t, Luttig told me, he agrees America may be headed for a period of 'protracted democratic instability,'" Sargent wrote.

https://www.rawstory.com/michael-luttig-trump/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5319 on: June 18, 2022, 01:14:55 PM »
Devastating evidence indicates that Trump knew he lost -- so his actions were criminal



We can’t know what’s happening inside the secret, special-purpose grand jury convened at the Fulton County Courthouse in Atlanta. We can’t hear the sworn testimony being given about Donald Trump’s multiple efforts to overturn the 2020 elections here in Georgia; we can’t read the documents being subpoenaed; we can’t know what revelations the investigation might be uncovering.

But up in Washington, D.C., a much more public process is playing out, much of it focused on the same set of facts, narratives and players that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is exploring here in Atlanta. And from that, we’re learning a lot.

For example, one of the core issues confronting Willis in her decision whether to prosecute Trump is the question of Trump’s intent. If the former president truly believed that he had carried Georgia and was simply trying to get an accurate vote count, then he committed no crime. But if he did know that he had lost the election but was trying to overturn it anyway, then this was indeed a coup attempt and prosecution is not only possible but necessary.

In a televised hearing by a U.S. House select committee this week, we got a pretty definitive answer to that particular question:

1. Then-Attorney General Bill Barr testified via video that he had told Trump repeatedly and emphatically, in language too graphic to print here, that there was no evidence of significant vote fraud in Georgia or anywhere else. Barr’s replacement as attorney general later told Trump the same thing.

2. Trump’s campaign manager, Bill Stepien, testified that he too told Trump that they had lost fair and square.

3. Matt Oczkowski, the Trump campaign’s top data analyst, reaffirmed to Trump that he had lost fairly.
Trump’s White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, also told him he had lost.

4. Trump’s White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, also told him he had lost.

5. Trump’s appointee as head of U.S. cybersecurity, Chris Krebs, investigated voting-machine fraud charges and announced on Twitter that “in every case of which we are aware, these claims either have been unsubstantiated or are technically incoherent.” Trump can’t claim he didn’t know about that tweet, because he fired Krebs the same day, also via Twitter, citing the tweet as the reason.

6. A similar fate befell BJay Pak, the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney for northern Georgia. In testimony made public by the House committee this week, Pak said he had reported to his Justice Department superiors that he could find no evidence of election fraud in Georgia. For that, Trump demanded his resignation.

7. And of course, in their now-infamous phone call with Trump, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his staff also patiently walked through all the detailed evidence proving that there was no evidence of voting or election
fraud.

So yes, Trump knew that he had lost. Trump knew because many well-informed, credible fellow Republicans – many of them his own appointees – had dared to tell him so on repeated occasions, citing actual evidence and data. The House committee has made that clear.

Thanks to the House committee, we may also get an early window into Raffensperger’s secret grand-jury testimony about Trump’s demand that Raffensperger “find” the 11,800 votes that Trump needed to carry Georgia.

For the moment, we don’t know if Raffensperger told the grand jury that he felt pressured by Trump to take improper or illegal actions to void the election results. We don’t know how Raffensperger interpreted Trump’s suggestion that Raffensperger might be criminally prosecuted if he did not reverse the outcome of the election, or whether he saw it as an effort to intimidate him.

But we do know that Raffensperger was also subpoenaed by and has testified to the House committee. According to the committee schedule, we will hear at least portions of his testimony in a public hearing next week.

Yet another Georgia angle that Willis will find interesting comes from a document recently made public by the Senate Judiciary Committee. It’s an unsent letter, drafted by Trump co-conspirators and circulated within the U.S. Department of Justice and elsewhere by Trump sympathizers in December of 2020. The draft is addressed to Gov. Brian Kemp, House Speaker David Ralston and Senate President Pro Tem Butch Miller, and it’s titled “Georgia Proof of Concept.”

The proposed letter falsely states that the Department of Justice had “identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election” in Georgia. “In light of these developments,” the draft letter states, “the Department recommends that the Georgia General Assembly should convene in special session” to reallocate Georgia’s electoral votes from Joe Biden to Trump.

By that point, Kemp had already rebuffed Trump’s demands for a special session, but Trump would not be dissuaded. The letter insisted that “the Georgia General Assembly has implied authority under the Constitution of the United States to call itself into special session … regardless of any purported limit imposed by the state constitution or state statute requiring the Governor’s approval.”

In other words, the Georgia General Assembly should not feel itself bound by either Georgia law or the Georgia Constitution. That’s remarkable.

As the House select committee has documented, Trump was deeply involved in pressing the DOJ to send that false letter to Georgia imploring state officials to break their own laws. At one critical point, after acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen said he would never issue such a letter, Trump even threatened to fire Rosen and replace him with someone more willing to carry out his illegal orders.

What the House committee is exposing, what Willis may be finding, is a pattern in which Trump repeatedly tries to recruit people into his conspiracy. When Trump was told by Raffensperger that there was no legal way to change the vote outcome, Trump insisted that he do it anyway. When Mike Pence told Trump that there was no legal or constitutional way to alter the electoral-vote count, Trump pressured him intensely, publicly and privately, to do it anyway. When Kemp told Trump that there was no legal way to call the state Legislature into special session, Kemp was told to do it anyway. When DOJ lawyers said they had no valid grounds to send that “proof of concept” letter to Georgia or other states, Trump said do it anyway.

Do it anyway, regardless of the facts or the law. Folks, that’s criminal.

https://georgiarecorder.com/2022/06/16/bookman-evidence-builds-that-trump-knew-he-lost-so-attempted-coup-was-criminal/