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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4893 on: March 28, 2022, 12:17:13 AM »
So desperate to put Biden's failures on Trump.  Taking a still frame from a film and putting your subjective commentary about what someone was thinking is absurd.  Meanwhile Biden continues to escalate the situation in Ukraine with his incredible gaffes.  He will blunder into WWIII if they don't shut him up and get him out of there.

Projection!

So desperate of you to put Criminal Donald's 4 years of disaster on President Biden. You are no foreign policy expert. What's absurd is you never cite a source for the stuff you post. It's all nonsense you make up. This is documented evidence of the 4 year Trump disaster that we all lived through. Own it!   

"Experts say Trump’s actions weakened Ukraine, divided NATO, emboldened Putin and helped get us to where we are today. And even with Trump no longer in office, his impact lives on in the form of Putin-friendly commentary in conservative media and from some Republican lawmakers," he wrote.

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1507769911334088708

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4894 on: March 28, 2022, 12:33:35 AM »
Projection!

So desperate of you to put Criminal Donald's 4 years of disaster on President Biden. You are no foreign policy expert. What's absurd is you never cite a source for the stuff you post. It's all nonsense you make up. This is documented evidence of the 4 year Trump disaster that we all lived through. Own it!   

"Experts say Trump’s actions weakened Ukraine, divided NATO, emboldened Putin and helped get us to where we are today. And even with Trump no longer in office, his impact lives on in the form of Putin-friendly commentary in conservative media and from some Republican lawmakers," he wrote.

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1507769911334088708

You think it takes a foreign policy "expert" to turn on the TV and see the world burning while "gaffing" Joe fiddles?  What are your foreign policy credentials since you opine to the tune of hundreds of posts on the topic?  And by "source" you mean looking through the Interent or Twitter to find one article or post that agrees with me?  Like you have done ten thousand times on this forum. 
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4895 on: March 28, 2022, 01:26:44 AM »
"Fake news" is all this loser can scream when he's caught in another lie. The press has pictures to prove he is fading into obscurity with this sparse crowd. After this debacle, his handlers probably won't shove him out to do another one for a while.   

'Fake news!' Trump scrambles staff to fight off claim of 'empty seats' at 'anemic' Georgia rally



Donald Trump's communications team scrambled for a response over the weekend after scores of empty seats were seen at his rally in Georgia.

As Trump's Saturday rally was underway, photos that showed sparse attendance circulated on social media.

Trump is dispatching his spokesperson to desperately deny any report that last night’s Georgia rally had tons of empty seats.

They do not want you to see this photo.



Trump responded to the reports on Sunday as he became the laughingstock of Twitter.

"We had a massive crowd last night in Georgia, but as usual, the Fake News Media absolutely refuses to show it," Trump said in a statement. "People are estimating 25,000 to 35,000 people."

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1508125363502731264

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4896 on: March 28, 2022, 02:18:45 PM »
Just in: Humiliated Trump team releases new proof of large crowd size at last night's rally. :D


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4897 on: March 28, 2022, 03:24:38 PM »
Just in: Humiliated Trump team releases new proof of large crowd size at last night's rally. :D



No doubt many people couldn't afford the Biden gas prices to drive there. Of course thousands were in attendance in the cold.  How many would show up to see Old Joe creep around like the crypt master making gaffe after gaffe?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4898 on: March 28, 2022, 11:15:30 PM »
Lock Them Up!

Trump likely committed felony obstruction, federal judge rules

A federal judge ruled Monday that former President Donald Trump “more likely than not” attempted to illegally obstruct Congress.



A federal judge ruled Monday that former President Donald Trump “more likely than not” attempted to illegally obstruct Congress as part of a criminal conspiracy when he tried to subvert the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021.

“Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021,” U.S. District Court Judge David Carter wrote.

Carter’s sweeping and historic ruling came as he ordered the release to the House’s Jan. 6 committee of 101 emails from Trump ally John Eastman, rejecting Eastman’s effort to shield them via attorney-client privilege.

Eastman used the email account of his former employer, Chapman University, to discuss political and legal strategy related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election and had sued the select committee to prevent them from obtaining the emails from the school.
Carter, who sits in federal court in California, said that the plan Eastman helped develop was obviously illegal and that Trump knew it at the time, but pushed forward with an effort he says would have effectively ended American democracy.

“If Dr. Eastman and President Trump’s plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power, undermining American democracy and the Constitution,” Carter wrote. “If the country does not commit to investigating and pursuing accountability for those responsible, the Court fears January 6 will repeat itself.”

The remarkable ruling may be the first in history in which a federal judge determined a president, while in office, appeared to commit a crime. The decision has no direct role in whether Trump will be charged criminally but could increase pressure on the Justice Department and its chief, Attorney General Merrick Garland, to conduct an aggressive investigation that could lead to such charges.

Thus far, Garland has promised to probe legal violations related to Jan. 6 “at any level,” but there have been virtually no outward signs that the Justice Department is investigating Trump or his top advisers over their roles in instigating the Capitol attack or otherwise scuttling or delay the electoral-vote-tallying session.

Justice Department spokespeople did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the ruling.

Eastman’s strategy centered on pressuring then-Vice President Mike Pence to single-handedly overturn the election when Congress convened on Jan. 6 to count electoral votes. Eastman urged Pence to simply declare the election in dispute and send the process back to GOP-controlled state legislatures, who could then replace Joe Biden’s electors with Trump’s. Pence resisted that push, and his aides argued fiercely that the plan was plainly illegal.

Carter ruled that the efforts by Trump and Eastman were obviously contrary to a federal law, the Electoral Count Act, which has governed the counting of electoral votes since 1887. Eastman premised his plan on a belief that the 135-year-old law was unconstitutional and urged Pence to simply ignore aspects of it he viewed as inconvenient. Carter said the recourse to oppose the Electoral Count Act was in court, not “a last-ditch attempt to secure the Presidency by any means.”

“Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections,” Carter wrote in a 44-page ruling. “Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the Vice President to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election. With a plan this ‘BOLD,’ President Trump knowingly tried to subvert this fundamental principle.”

The decision also helps shore up a theory increasingly embraced by members of the Jan. 6 select committee: that Trump seized on legal strategies he knew were meritless in order to subvert the transfer of power to Joe Biden — an effort that contributed to the violence that unfolded at the Capitol. Trump allies have long assailed the select committee as a political effort led by Democrats, but Carter’s analysis now gives the committee the imprimatur of a federal court.

Among the emails Carter ordered released included documents prepared for members of Congress. Seven senators are named as the recipients of some of the documents, though they were created to persuade lawmakers, not in preparation for litigation.

Eastman had claimed attorney-client privilege over nine emails and attachments, but none of the emails listed Trump as a sender or recipient, Carter noted, and two of them blind copied a close Trump adviser. Other emails included discussion of state-level efforts about election fraud allegations.

Perhaps the most important email in the newly disclosed batch is a memo to Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, which was forwarded to Eastman, sketching out a series of scenarios surrounding the Jan. 6 session.

“This may have been the first time members of President Trump’s team transformed a legal interpretation of the Electoral Count Act into a day-by-day plan of action,” Carter noted. “The memo is both intimately related to and clearly advanced the plan to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021.”

Carter indicated that the memo “maps out potential Supreme Court suits and the impact of different judicial outcomes.” Though the memo was clearly related to potential litigation, Carter determined that it warranted disclosure because of the “crime-fraud exception” to attorney-client privilege.

In his ruling, Carter agreed that 10 of Eastman’s emails should remain shielded by attorney-client privilege. But he said none of the 10 appeared “pivotal” to the select committee’s investigation. Nine of them, he wrote, were about potential litigation, and the tenth captured Eastman’s “thoughts on the evening of January 6 about potential future actions.”

Carter, who sits in Los Angeles and is an appointee of President Bill Clinton, acknowledged long-shot arguments by Eastman that the 1887 law governing the tallying and certification of electoral votes was at odds with the Constitution. However, the judge said that did not permit Trump the right to defy the statute or to seek to persuade Pence to circumvent it.

“Believing the Electoral Count Act was unconstitutional did not give President Trump license to violate it,” Carter wrote. “Disagreeing with the law entitled President Trump to seek a remedy in court, not to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process. And President Trump knew how to pursue election claims in court — after filing and losing more than sixty suits, this plan was a last-ditch attempt to secure the Presidency by any means.”

Eastman could try to appeal the decision to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and, from there, to the Supreme Court.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/28/trump-judge-felony-obstruction-insurrection-00020918

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4899 on: March 28, 2022, 11:48:54 PM »
Lock Them Up!

Trump likely committed felony obstruction, federal judge rules



"Likely" LOL.  What kind of legal standard is that?   Another politically driven "investigation" that will come to nothing.  The NY AG is returning "evidence" to parties in that matter.  Meaning it's over.  Trump can't stop winning even when the deck is stacked against him.  Magnificent.