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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4578 on: February 02, 2022, 03:12:27 AM »
'We are clearly in conspiracy territory': Former US attorney says latest Trump revelations are game changers



Former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama Joyce Vance on Tuesday told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace that the United States Department of Justice needs to be thinking seriously about bringing major criminal charges against former President Donald Trump.

While discussing the latest revelations about Trump's inquiries about seizing voting machines after the 2020 election, Wallace quoted from an attorney representing Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes, who believed as he headed to the Capitol on January 6th that Trump would invoke the insurrection act to justify seizing the machines.

"Everyone knew their part," Wallace stated. "How much more evidence is required for DOJ to open an investigation into this broader conspiracy?"

Vance replied that she wonders whether Rhodes was told that there was a plan for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and if that indicates a conspiracy with Trump allies and even the former president himself.

"We're far past the point in time where DOJ should -- and, I hope, is -- engaged in a full on investigation into whether there was a conspiracy to interfere with the transfer of power," Vance said. "We are clearly in conspiracy territory."

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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-coup-2656529427/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4579 on: February 02, 2022, 03:22:31 AM »
As I've said before, Criminal Donald is irrelevant, weak, and no longer viable within his own party. His own handpicked MAGA lunatics can't even raise enough money to compete.

MAGA candidates getting trounced in fundraising -- and showing limits of Trump’s power: report



Trump-backed candidates across the country are getting trounced in fundraising, according to the latest campaign finance reports.

While former president Donald Trump himself has amassed a $122 million war chest, every candidate he has endorsed against a GOP incumbent is "getting crushed," Vice News reported Tuesday afternoon.

"It’s not a shock that incumbents are out-raising challengers, even ones backed by the former president—incumbency offers a lot of fundraising advantages. And money isn’t the only thing that matters in politics," the report states. "But the struggles from so many of Trump’s candidates to catch fire in fundraising show the limits his support offers candidates. And it could mean his power over the GOP—and ability to get his allies into office—isn’t quite as strong as many have assumed."

Vice News reporter Cameron Joseph pointed to several examples of Trump-backed candidates getting "shellacked" by their opponents in fundraising during the most recent quarter.

In Alabama, Trump-backed Senate candidate Mo Brooks’ fundraising haul for the last three months was less than a third of the total raised by his top Senate primary opponent, Katie Boyd Britt. In Alaska, incumbent GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who voted to impeach the former president, raised more than twice as much as her Trump-backed challenger, and has nearly seven times as much in the bank.

In North Carolina, Trump-backed GOP Senate candidate Ted Budd raised less than half as much as the Democratic frontrunner, Cheri Beasley. In Georgia, Trump-backed Senate candidate Herschel Walker raised an impressive $5.4 million over the last three months. However, Georgia Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock far outpaced him, bringing in $9.8 million.

And in Wyoming, GOP Rep. Liz Cheney raised $2 million in the last quarter, compared to Trump back challengers Harriet Hageman's $443,000.

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wgmz/trumps-favorite-candidates-fundraising

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4580 on: February 02, 2022, 11:45:00 AM »
No wonder Trump is nervous: NY attorney general looking at Trump bid for D.C. hotel
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/no-wonder-trump-is-nervous-ny-attorney-general-looking-at-trump-bid-for-d-c-hotel-132237381797

New York Attorney General Subpoenas Feds for Trump D.C. Hotel Records
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-attorney-general-letitia-james-subpoenas-general-services-administration-over-trumps-dc-hotel

New York attorney general subpoenas records on Trump’s DC hotel
James is looking at whether Trump’s company misled the federal government to obtain a lease on a historic Washington, DC building




New York attorney general Letitia James’s long-running investigation into former President Donald Trump’s financial practices has expanded to include the process by which his real estate company won the lease on the historic Washington, DC building where his DC hotel is located.

According to The Washington Post, Ms James’s office has subpoenaed records from the General Services Administration – the government agency that manages federal real estate – pertaining to the process by which the GSA leased the historic Old Post Office building for renovation and redevelopment.

Mr Trump’s eponymous company, the Trump Organization, won a 2011 competition to redevelop the building by promising to spend roughly $200 million to convert it into a luxury hotel, which he said had “a chance to be one of the great hotels of the world” in an interview with NBC4 Washington at the time.

The GSA selection of Mr Trump was notable at the time because the federal government would typically not choose to do business with a person who had went through multiple bankruptcies when there were other, more solvent, bidders on the project.

Nearly a decade later, Mr Trump is trying to offload the lease to another hotel operator and the documents submitted by the Trump Organization during 2011-2012 bidding process are headed to Ms James’s office.

The attorney general is investigating whether Mr Trump or his company broke New York laws by inflating his alleged net worth for the purpose of obtaining loans and other benefits from financial institutions while reducing it for tax purposes.

In October, the House Oversight Committee issued a report detailing concerns over whether Mr Trump’s company had misled the GSA during the bidding process by concealing debts that would have made him a less attractive bidder in the government’s eyes.

New York Representative Carolyn Maloney and Virginia Representative Gerald Connolly also wrote to GSA administrator Robin Carnahan alleging that Mr Trump “concealed hundreds of millions of dollars in debts from GSA when bidding on the Old Post Office Building lease”and asked the agency to investigate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hotel-letitia-james-subpoena-b2005302.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4581 on: February 02, 2022, 11:48:40 AM »
Ivanka Trump's apartment linked to New York AG's subpoena of DC hotel records: Rachel Maddow

The Trump Organization allegedly inflated the value of Ivanka Trump's apartment to obtain a lease for the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow reported Tuesday night.

The Washington Post reported earlier in the day that New York Attorney General Letitia James has subpoenaed records related to Trump's DC hotel from the federal government, as part of her office's ongoing civil probe.

"Letitia James' investigation is reportedly looking into whether Trump got the lease on that property through fraud — whether the Trump Organization lied about his assets in order to obtain the lease for the property and the loans they used to pay for it," Maddow reported.

"We know from documents that were filed by Attorney General James last month that it was Trump's adult daughter, Ivanka Trump, who — according to the attorney general — negotiated the lease for that hotel with the federal government and negotiated a loan from Deutsche Bank to pay for it," she added. "Tish James is arguing that the means by which the Trump Organization described their own financial condition in order to get the lease and the loan were both fraudulent. Here's one example."

Maddow noted that in its statement of assets to obtain the lease and loan for the DC hotel, the Trump Organization listed the value of apartments the company owned, including the one Ivanka Trump was renting from the company at the time, on Park Avenue in New York City.

"Under her rental agreement, she apparently had the option to buy that apartment if she wanted to, for the cost of $8.5 million," Maddow reported. "But in the forms that were submitted to get the loans for the DC hotel, that very same apartment was listed as being worth more than $20 million. Then a few years later, they listed it as being worth $25 million — even though they knew there was an option to buy it for just $8.5 million."

"Attorney General James is looking into exactly that type of potentially illegally inflation of the Trump family and Trump Organization's financial situation for a whole bunch of Trump properties," she added. "Thanks to the Washington Post, we now know that the attorney general's investigation has subpoenaed the federal government about Trump's deal for that property in DC as well."

"So yeah, if I were the former president, I don't know if I'd be calling for my supporters to riot if I were indicted in this investigation, but I might be concerned."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4582 on: February 02, 2022, 01:47:24 PM »
Conspiracy charges possible for filing bogus Trump election slates, experts say
The Justice Department is investigating at least two states that sent alternative Republican slates, even though Biden won the vote in those states.


The Justice Department could pursue criminal charges related to the filing of Electoral College votes for Donald Trump from states that actually voted for Joe Biden in 2020, according to several experts on election law.

Certificates purporting to be from Trump electors were sent to Washington by Republicans in seven political battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But because Biden won the popular vote in those winner-take-all states, only electoral votes for him could officially be submitted and counted.

Attorneys general from Michigan and New Mexico last month referred the results of their own investigations to the Justice Department and suggested that submitting the Trump slates might have been illegal. Lisa Monaco, the deputy attorney general, told CNN that the allegations are under review.

“Our prosecutors are looking at those, and I can’t say anything more on ongoing investigations,” she said.

Edward Foley, an election law expert at the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University, said the government generally should not criminalize the act of sending a document to Congress, which he said is the kind of political expression protected by the First Amendment. But he said charges might be appropriate if it turns out there was a coordinated effort to send in the alternative slates.

The filings could be important evidence if prosecutors are investigating charges of conspiracy to defraud the federal government, said Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama. Federal law makes it a crime to obstruct the lawful functions of the U.S. government through fraud and deceit.

Matt Sanderson, a Washington lawyer who represents many Republican clients, said the purported Trump electors might have committed the crime of making false statements by signing documents describing themselves as the “duly elected and qualified” presidential electors from their states and by claiming that they met to vote at their state capitols, although some were actually turned away.

The submissions from New Mexico and Pennsylvania included a kind of disclaimer saying the submissions should be counted if courts later determined that they were, in fact, the qualified electors from their states.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has subpoenaed 14 people from the seven states who were listed as the chairperson and the secretary of each group of alternative electors. The committee’s chairman, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said the committee believes it has “information about how these so-called alternate electors met and who was behind that scheme.”

A key question is whether there was a coordinated plan to send in the Trump elector votes from those seven states. When the Electoral College met in December 2020, White House aide Stephen Miller seemed to indicate there was such a plan.

“An alternative slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote, and we’ll send those results up to Congress. This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open,” he said in an interview on Fox News.

It has never been entirely clear what happened to the submissions. They apparently were not passed along to Congress by the National Archives, which described them at the time as “Certificates of Vote prepared by Republicans and submitted by private individuals.”

However, post-election court filings indicated that some of the groups sent their slates directly to Vice President Mike Pence in his capacity as Senate president, because he presided over the formal electoral vote count. Officials involved in the process have never said whether the alternative slates ever found their way onto the floor of the House during the joint session on Jan. 6, 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/conspiracy-charges-possible-filing-bogus-election-slates-legal-experts-rcna14286

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4583 on: February 02, 2022, 02:22:49 PM »
Trump’s movement is dependent on a variety of Christian ‘Dominionist’ cults: expert
https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-movement-is-dependent-on-a-variety-of-christian-dominionist-cults-expert/

Trump issues 'new string of lies' and calls for Pence to be investigated: report
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-issues-new-string-of-lies-and-calls-for-pence-to-be-investigated-report/

Pence aides' testimony 'may finally blow the inside story of January 6 wide open': CNN
https://www.rawstory.com/pence-aide-january-6-testimony/

How Trump attempted to use federal agencies to seize voting machines after 2020 election
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-trump-attempted-to-use-federal-agencies-to-seize-voting-machines-after-2020-election

The revealing Trump White House debate over whether to seize voting machines
The major question — use the military or ask DHS? — shows how perilous things were for democracy.

https://www.vox.com/2022/2/1/22912394/trump-giuliani-seize-voting-machines-military

TRUMP LITERALLY SHREDDED PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, AND NO, HE WASN’T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/donald-trump-shredded-documents-january-6

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4584 on: February 03, 2022, 12:37:24 AM »
Donald Trump's having an awful week — and it's only Wednesday



Generally speaking, the Washington press corps and, in particular, the political reporters at the New York Times are not ones to engage in hyperbole when it comes to Donald Trump. If anything, the paper of record has been downplaying the ongoing saga of Trump's Big Lie and all the evidence that's been piling up about what happened in the lead-up to January 6th recently. But this week's Trump news seems to have shaken even their jaded attitude.

For instance, the Times' Peter Baker tweeted on Tuesday, "Even for Trump it's quite a week -- first dangling pardons for capitol attackers, then admitting his goal was to have 'overturned the election' and now calling on the House to investigate Pence for not throwing out votes of multiple states so a president who lost could keep power." Then the Times' Maggie Haberman, appearing on CNN on Tuesday night, said, "it's been a breathtaking couple of days." This NYT piece by Shane Goldmacher headlined "Trump's Words, and Deeds, Reveal Depths of His Drive to Retain Power" says it all.

Earlier this week, I wrote about Trump's scripted comments at the rally in Texas over the weekend in which he promised pardons for the January 6th insurrectionists who were "treated unfairly" and called for protests against prosecutors who are investigating him. But that was just the beginning. On Monday, Trump put out a truly revealing statement (which some might call an admission of guilt.)

Republican leaders have picked a side and it appears to be Trump's. As usual, there hasn't been much of an outcry about any of this. Oh sure, a few have said it's "inappropriate" to talk about pardoning the January 6th rioters and there has been some tut-tutting about how "the process worked" but that's about it.

Trump followed up his confession that he wanted to overturn the election by suggesting that the January 6th Committee should investigate Mike Pence if they believe he could have overturned the election and ask him why he didn't do it. I would guess that's Trump's pathetic attempt at trying to clean up his earlier comment but it's incredibly lame and self-defeating. He shouldn't be pushing Mike Pence toward the committee — Pence's closest aide and his lawyer both testified for hours this week.

It couldn't have helped his agitated mood to see new details emerge about those crazy meetings in the White House after the election when he and his lawyers were trying to find ways to do exactly what he wanted Mike Pence to do on January 6th: overturn the election. I've been intrigued by the one that took place on December 18th ever since it was reported and I wrote about it just the other day. What we knew was already so nuts that it's hard to believe it could be any loonier --- but it is.

Recall that General Michael Flynn, Trump lawyer Sidney "Kraken" Powell and the former CEO of Overstock.com somehow got into the White House and proposed to Trump that he sign an Executive Order naming Powell as Special Counsel to investigate the alleged election fraud and order the military to seize the voting machines. What we didn't know until the NY Times and CNN reported it this week is that Trump had earlier tried to get former Attorney General William Barr to have the Justice Department seize machines and Barr told him he could not do it because it would require probable cause and there wasn't any. (Barr resigned not long after.)

We also learned that when the idea of an Executive Order to the Penatagon was shot down by Rudy Giuliani and others, Trump directed Giuliani to see if the Department of Homeland Security could do it. And there was reportedly yet another draft Executive Order drawn up to that effect. In the end, none of the Executive Orders were signed and no one agreed to seize the voting machines. (Just imagine if they had actually tried to do that ...)

Until now, Trump has been portrayed as sort of passive in all this, simply receiving proposals from his minions and henchmen and not directing any of the action. It was never particularly believable except to the extent that he played the role of the mob boss who only has to quirk an eyebrow and his lieutenants know what to do. Fortunately for the country, as Salon's Amanda Marcotte points out, Trump was saved by his lackeys and accomplices, either because they were too inept to carry out the coup or because even they had reached the end of the line with his lunacy.

But Trump can no longer hide behind his henchmen. We now know that Bill Barr told him that seizing the voting machines was illegal without a court order which requires probable cause and there was none. Yet he still entertained the proposal that he issue executive orders to the Pentagon and DHS to do it anyway. And according to the Times, Trump also made overtures to state officials in Michigan and Pennsylvania to have law enforcement agencies take control of voting machines, which were rebuffed. He was clearly convinced that if he could get someone to seize those machines it could turn the tide and somehow overturn the election.

Was it that he believed Sidney Powell and Mike Flynn's inane conspiracy theories that said the machines were rigged by the very dead Hugo Chavez or had been surreptitiously sent to Italy to have the votes changed? Or did he just think that making such a dramatic move would change the dynamic and make the state actors take action to change the electoral count? It's hard to know. Trump believes that he can change reality simply be saying things over and over again (and it works on about 35% of the population.) Maybe he just thought he could will it to be true.

These latest revelations do show us just how different these days are than 48 years ago when it was revealed that Richard Nixon had tried to get the CIA to block the FBI's investigation into Watergate. That was known as the "smoking gun" in that case and it made dozens of Republicans and conservative Democrats turn against him. He resigned days later.

What Trump did was worse.

He tried to use the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security (and for all we know the CIA and the Department of Education too) to overturn a legal election that he lost. And his party shrugs. Worse than that he is the front runner for the nomination in the next presidential election. If, for some reason, he is actually held to account for any of this -- or anything at all -- it won't be because the Republican Party lifted a finger to make it happen.

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-s-having-an-awful-week-and-it-s-only-wednesday/