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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3880 on: March 12, 2021, 01:24:39 AM »
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Critical question. On any upcoming trial in Georgia, would a jury be sitting in judgment?

I would imagine yes. If so, getting a conviction of Trump is pretty problematic, regardless of the evidence. All that is needed is for one MAGA person to get on the jury. If one juror prevents the conviction of Trump, they become a big hero. New employment opportunities will open up for them.

The prosecution will try to weed them out. But the defense will try just as hard to get a few in. That is all they need. And prospective jurors can lie during the jury selection process. And even if the prosecution is 100% successful in identifying bad jurors, the prosecution would have to get its way 100% of the time. It just doesn’t sound likely.

I think it would be about as hard to get a conviction of Trump in the 2020’s as it was to get a Civil Rights murder conviction in the Deep South in the 1960’s. Pretty hard, even if you have a very strong case.

The jury system prevents the possibility of the elite from gaining a strangle hold on the people, but we pay a penalty for it.

A grand jury is in place in Georgia and they brought in expert prosecutors who specialize in racketeering for the investigation. The orange man has so many criminal investigations against him he won't be able to escape them all. Felony tax fraud is a cut and dry crime. As long as the evidence proves he was engaging in various tax scams he will easily be indicted and sent to prison. His former "fixer" Michael Cohen just met with the Manhattan DA again yesterday for the 7th time. You wouldn't keep bringing him back if they weren't getting new expanded evidence. Plus four of his corrupt properties and now under investigation. There were always rumors he used his properties for illegal money laundering so we are now about to find out.   

Four Trump properties under investigation have been placed 'on review' by banks
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-properties-placed-bank-review/

Trump is in trouble -- and even his few remaining 'enabler' lawyers are facing sanctions: legal experts
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-troubles/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3881 on: March 12, 2021, 02:38:15 PM »

A grand jury is in place in Georgia and they brought in expert prosecutors who specialize in racketeering for the investigation. The orange man has so many criminal investigations against him he won't be able to escape them all. Felony tax fraud is a cut and dry crime. As long as the evidence proves he was engaging in various tax scams he will easily be indicted and sent to prison. His former "fixer" Michael Cohen just met with the Manhattan DA again yesterday for the 7th time. You wouldn't keep bringing him back if they weren't getting new expanded evidence. Plus, four of his corrupt properties and now under investigation. There were always rumors he used his properties for illegal money laundering so we are now about to find out.   

Four Trump properties under investigation have been placed 'on review' by banks
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-properties-placed-bank-review/

Trump is in trouble -- and even his few remaining 'enabler' lawyers are facing sanctions: legal experts
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-troubles/

I hope you are right. But in any case, I am confident that at least by November 2022, everyone will realize that Trump no longer has the political clout a lot of people think he still has. Yes, he and the politicians he supports will win primaries. But what good is that if they lose the general election by a 10 to 15 percent margin?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3882 on: March 12, 2021, 02:56:26 PM »
TRUMP’S ODDS OF GETTING AWAY WITH TAX FRAUD JUST TOOK A NOSEDIVE: The Manhattan District Attorney’s  criminal probe is closing in
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/donald-trump-manhattan-da-criminal-probe

BUSTED: Emails reveal further efforts by Trump's White House to influence Georgia elections officials
https://www.rawstory.com/mark-meadows-aide-georgia-election/

'That's the big iceberg in front of him': Trump faces one major legal threat among many
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-criminal/

Nixon's White House counsel, who played a key role in the Watergate scandal, says Trump could get indicted by the Manhattan DA within days
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-dean-nixon-counsel-trump-manhattan-da-investigation-2021-3

Biden in first national address slams Trump, offers help, health, hope and asks Americans to ‘do your part’
https://www.rawstory.com/biden-in-first-national-address-slams-trump-offers-help-health-hope-and-asks-americans-to-do-your-part/

Biden will direct states to make all adults eligible for Covid vaccine by May 1
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/covid-vaccine-biden-will-direct-states-to-make-all-adults-eligible-by-may-1.html

Joe Biden Dons Unifier-In-Chief Role For First Primetime Address; Says Violence Against Asian-Americans “Must Stop”
https://deadline.com/2021/03/joe-biden-covid-speech-primetime-pandemic-relief-package-1234712826/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3883 on: March 12, 2021, 11:58:59 PM »


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Joe Biden Dons Unifier-In-Chief Role For First Primetime Address; Says Violence Against Asian-Americans “Must Stop”
https://deadline.com/2021/03/joe-biden-covid-speech-primetime-pandemic-relief-package-1234712826/

Quote from President’s Biden’s speech last night.

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. . . vicious hate crimes against Asian Americans, who have been attacked, harassed, blamed, and scapegoated. At this very moment, so many of them — our fellow Americans — they’re on the frontlines of this pandemic, trying to save lives, and still — still — they are forced to live in fear of their lives just walking down streets in America. It’s wrong, it’s un-American, and it must stop.

Why didn’t Trump make a similar appeal? Why was he not helping, but hurting the situation, by calling COVID-19 the “China Virus”?

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"Fourth, in the coming weeks, we will issue further guidance on what you can and cannot do once fully vaccinated to lessen the confusion, to keep people safe, and encourage more people to get vaccinated.”

A very sensible idea. Finding ways to encourage people to get vaccinated.


All in all, it’s good to have a President who sounds like a President. I have never such a positive impression of a President. Eighty percent of this is, no doubt, based on who he is following. In some ways a hard act to follow but in others an easy act to follow. But I do get the sense that President Biden is not just an adequate President but is one of the better ones. Does anyone else get that sense? We will find out more in the coming months.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3884 on: March 13, 2021, 01:22:59 AM »

I am 66 years old and I just got my first Moderna vaccine. I called my health provider and asked if I could get a vaccination. They said no. But four days later they sent an email saying I could get an appointment. So, ten days after my call I got vaccinated.

This might not be a coincidence. A problem they are having is all the people who make an appointment, but don’t show up. Every time they arrange 200 appointments, but only 170 show up, they have to scramble to find 30 extra people It takes extra work and gets the wrong people vaccinated, or risk having the shot wasted. It would make sense for a hospital, or the county, or whatever, to collect whatever data they can to find out who is gung-ho on getting the vaccination and who is hesitant. It is more efficient to get the gung-ho group vaccinated first and the hesitant group later.

I think that what some people are thinking, that if everyone else, or enough people get vaccinated, I can skate by without it. The problem is, there are always going to be too many others who think the same way. If one does this, they are setting themselves up for illness or death, just to avoid a little inconvenient and a little pain. And making others vulnerable to your selfishness.

If you are holding up on your vaccination, let them know you aren’t going. Do the minimum amount of harm. Make up your mind early and if you make an appointment, stick to it. Last minute changes of heart don’t just hurt you.

In any case, if your eligible for the vaccine, don’t just wait for the call. Give them a call. If this gets you vaccinated earlier, it will help you and help the hospital or clinic, to cut down on no shows which slows everything up as far as getting certain age groups vaccinated as soon as possible.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3885 on: March 13, 2021, 01:58:42 PM »
This should come as no surprise

Covid-19 death rates higher in states with GOP governors: Study
https://www.rawstory.com/rate/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3886 on: March 13, 2021, 02:08:54 PM »
More corruption from the Trump Crime Family

Dog Rescue Charity Linked To Lara Trump Funneling Money Into Donald Trump’s Pocket: The Big Dog Ranch Rescue has spent as much as $1.9 million at his properties in recent years and is spending $225,000 more at Mar-a-Lago this weekend
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lara-trump-mar-a-lago-dog-rescue-charity_n_604becaac5b636ed337a6886

Trump accountant will flip to save his sons from prison -- according to Michael Cohen
https://www.rawstory.com/allen-weisselberg-donald-trump-2651036197/

Trump blurted insults and showed off lewd photos at shivah for accountant’s mother
https://www.rawstory.com/allen-weisselberg-donald-trump/

President Joe Biden rips ‘trickle-down’ economics while taking victory lap on COVID relief bill
https://www.rawstory.com/trickle-down-economics/

US administers 100 million COVID shots: official data
https://www.rawstory.com/us-administers-100-million-shots-official-data/

'A wonderful day in America’: Biden, Dems take Rose Garden victory lap over $1.9T COVID relief bill
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-20210312-n26nskwcxndfta4oh3hcfaa2he-story.html

Dow climbs 290 points to close at another record, surging yields hit tech stocks again
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/stock-market-open-to-close-news.html


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3887 on: March 15, 2021, 02:04:52 AM »

Ohio County Rejects Dominion Voting Systems After Trump Supporters Balk
March 11, 2021

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975935129/ohio-county-rejects-dominion-voting-systems-after-trump-supporters-balk

The most important asset of a Company selling vote counting machines is its reputation. It appears that the reputation of Dominion Voting Systems has been severely damaged by the repeated lies of Donald Trump. I doubt the company can stay in business. I hope they can successfully sue Trump and recover all the future potential profits they would have earned. But Trump is very good at avoiding penalties. He has all sorts of options, like declaring bankruptcy. In any case, if down the road Dominion does recoup some of its losses, it won’t help all the employees who I anticipate will have to be let go.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3887 on: March 15, 2021, 02:04:52 AM »