Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3325 on: January 15, 2021, 03:11:36 PM »
Real leadership is finally coming.  Thumb1:

Biden to speak on Covid vaccinations; security concerns delay inaugural rehearsal: The president-elect takes office in five days

President-elect Joe Biden will deliver remarks Friday about his plan to administer Covid-19 vaccines to people across the country, as security concerns have postponed a dress rehearsal for his inauguration on Wednesday.

The inaugural rehearsal that was scheduled for Sunday has now been postponed until Monday because of those concerns, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Politico first reported the postponement.

Biden is expected to speak Friday afternoon from Wilmington, Delaware. He’s also scheduled to meet with transition advisers and will attend a finance event for the Presidential Inaugural Committee.

Health experts and government officials at the state and local levels have said that the Trump administration bungled the distribution of the vaccines and never had a strategy. As of Thursday, from the more than 30 million vaccine doses distributed nationwide, but just over 11 million people had received their first doses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Over the last week, Trump administration officials finally began giving Biden's team access to critical Covid-19 vaccination data. After weeks of requesting to attend Operation Warp Speed vaccine briefings, last week, Trump officials finally allowed Biden's representatives to attend, according to a person familiar with the plans. As of Thursday, the Biden transition team has not yet obtained access to the Defense Department’s vaccination plans for the military, the source said.

Biden has said that his goal is for 100 million doses of Covid-19 vaccines to be administered within the first 100 days of his presidency, which would be the end of April.

Meanwhile, the death toll from the pandemic and case count counts to climb. For several days in a row this week, it exceeded 4,000 deaths. According to NBC News' Covid-19 data tracker, 388,599 people have died from the disease and there have been more than 23 million cases.

In other transition news:

In a primetime speech Thursday, Biden laid out a $1.9 trillion relief package that he wants Congress to quickly pass to help people who are struggling from the coronavirus pandemic. The plan would provide $1,400 direct payments and include an extra $400 per week for people who are unemployed. It would also raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
Biden will appoint lawyer David Cohen as deputy director of the CIA, a transition team official told NBC News. Cohen previously served in the role for two years in the Obama administration and unlike the position of CIA director, this job doesn't require Senate confirmation so he can start immediately.

The committee overseeing Biden’s inaugural announced Friday morning several more speakers and performers for the primetime special that is expected to air between 8:30 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. ET on Wednesday. "Eva Longoria and Kerry Washington will introduce segments throughout the night ranging from stories of young people making a difference in their communities to musical performances. Foo Fighters, John Legend and Bruce Springsteen will perform from iconic locations across the country, joining Demi Lovato, Justin Timberlake, Ant Clemons, and Jon Bon Jovi with additional performances to be announced ahead of January 20," the committee said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-speak-covid-vaccinations-security-concerns-delay-inaugural-rehearsal-n1254381

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3326 on: January 15, 2021, 03:14:32 PM »
Your messiah can't even read from a teleprompter. The fact is current and former cops were arrested for being in the insurrection and the Capitol police let them in.

So the cops were racist as China Joe claimed? 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3327 on: January 15, 2021, 03:23:26 PM »
So the cops were racist as China Joe claimed?

Cops were storming the Capitol with the klan and hate groups. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3328 on: January 15, 2021, 04:01:45 PM »
Cops were storming the Capitol with the klan and hate groups.

Huh?  Try to focus.  China Joe was talking about the cops defending the Capitol and contending they were racist.  Even though many were black.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3329 on: January 15, 2021, 04:57:11 PM »
Huh?  Try to focus.  China Joe was talking about the cops defending the Capitol and contending they were racist.  Even though many were black.

It's China Don who has a secret Chinese bank account and has the Chinese Epoch Times as his propaganda outlet.

That's not what President Joe Biden said. Try again.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3330 on: January 15, 2021, 04:58:37 PM »
Trump Leaves Presidency with 29% Approval Rating

A new Pew Research poll finds Donald Trump is leaving the White House with the lowest job approval of his presidency — 29% — and increasingly negative ratings for his post-election conduct.

Also interesting: 68% of public does not want Trump to remain a major political figure in the future.

https://politicalwire.com/2021/01/15/trump-leaves-presidency-with-29-approval-rate/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3331 on: January 15, 2021, 06:46:16 PM »

Trump Leaves Presidency with 29% Approval Rating

A new Pew Research poll finds Donald Trump is leaving the White House with the lowest job approval of his presidency — 29% — and increasingly negative ratings for his post-election conduct.

Also interesting: 68% of public does not want Trump to remain a major political figure in the future.

https://politicalwire.com/2021/01/15/trump-leaves-presidency-with-29-approval-rate/

This is a major problem for the Republican party. It will take years to recover from it. I would not be surprise if they never recover from it. Perhaps within the next twenty years, the Democratic Party will split in two and we will go back to a Two-Party system. I can’t imagine we will be using a One-Party System from here out.

The poll shows Trump is done. So what? The polls have often been wrong about Trump before. Yes, but never wildly off. They might say he is down 48 to 52 percent and end up winning 52 to 48 percent. But a 29 percent approval means he can never win again.

The results in the Georgia Senate runoff race of January 5 show that not only can’t Trump win, but any candidate who supports Trump, who is endorsed by Trump, and most importantly, espouse and make speeches claiming the 2020 election was stolen form Trump, cannot get elected. Not even:

In Georgia, which had not had a Democratic Senator since the 1990’s.
In Georgia, which no Republican candidate had ever lost a post-election runoff, even when they didn’t have the most votes in November.
In Georgia, where both Republican candidates got the most votes in November, but not 50%, but still ended up losing in January, just 9 weeks later.

And all that happened before the Capitol riot.

And yet, while a Two-to-One majority of the country is against Trump, and very likely against candidates who espouse the “Stolen Election” claim, there is still a majority of Republican voters who accept the “Stolen Election” claim. So, it looks likely that:
•   Most of the Republican candidates who publicly reject the “Stolen Election” campaign will lose the Primaries in 2022.
•   Most of the Republican candidates who publicly espouse the “Stolen Election” campaign will lose the general election in 2022 in November.

If this happens, this will be an almost unprecedented catastrophe for a major American political party, on par with the collapse of the Whig Party. The Whig Party didn’t lie to the American People. It just argued against an unjust war, the Mexican American war. This war was primarily a huge land grab that would hopefully, but didn’t, grad a lot of southern territory that would become Slave States. It grabbed a lot of territory, but except for Texas, which already had slavery, it didn’t result in a single new slave state. Not all wicked plans succeed. But it was a popular war and when it was concluded successfully, the Whigs were finished. Many Whigs, like Abraham Lincoln ended up in the Republican Party years later.

The best chance to minimize the damage to the Republican Party is for them to admit they were lying. The moderate Republicans will be able to survive the primary. Other moderate Republicans newcomers will take the place of those who lied, and the party could recover pretty quickly. But the Ted Cruz’s of the world aren’t going to sacrifice any hope of continuing on. They have no more loyalty to the Republican Party than they do to Democracy and upholding the people’s faith in Democracy, which Democracy has to have.

While the majority of Republican voters believe in this lie, but the majority of all voters don’t, the Republican Party cannot recover.

I guess the Republican candidates who have espoused the “Stolen Election” lie have figured it’s too late, they have already crossed the Rubicon, and will have to continue to espouse this. Over the coming months, I expect they will fall silent on this issue and start dodging any questions about whether the election was really stolen or not and just say we have to look ahead to the future and move on. That won’t be, I hope, good enough to allow them to survive the November 2022 vote.

If the Republican Party is finished, then while the Whig Party ended nobly, the Republican Party ended ignobly.

Abraham Lincoln: “We will nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope on earth.”

In 2020 we did not meanly lose this hope, but not due to the care of some ambitious and deceitful and weak and wicked politicians.
And besides, in 2021, America is hardly the last best hope on earth, and to be honest, really wasn’t in 1862. But the loss of America would be a major blow to this hope, which many Americans falsely believe has already been lost in America.

P. S. I am against Trump and his liars and his millions of believers in this lie. And I am against the lie that a conspiracy killed President Kennedy. I am against both lies because they attack the people’s belief in Democracy. If not for that, I don’t think I would have gotten so involved in the Kennedy assassination debate over the years. To me, my arguments against the Trump lies and my arguments against the conspiracy lies, are part of the same effort, to promote Democracy. But the Trump lies are an even more direct attack on Democracy than the CT lies.

If it was in my power to only stamp out the Trump Stolen Election lie or the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy lie, but not both, I would choose to stamp out the Trump lie.
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