Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

America needs to ‘Trump-proof’ the presidency to avoid another disaster: conservative

Tom Boggioni

In his column for the Daily Beast, conservative and former Republican Matt Lewis explained that Donald Trump has been a complete disaster as a president and — had he been the least bit competent — things could have been way worse.

With that in mind, and after listing off a series of Trump’s destructive actions including plunging the country into a coronavirus health crisis that shows no signs of abating, Lewis said the president has exhibited all the signs of being an authoritarian but he’s too lazy to really seize control of the country.

And, because of that, he claimed America has “dodged a bullet.”

“Think about it: Trump possessed almost all the skills a would-be Mussolini might need. He had the demagogic appeal to a cult-like following, the strongman tendencies (see his personal affinity for dictators), the attacks on democratic norms (his refusal to clearly state that he will respect the election outcome), an unhealthy disregard for the Constitution (‘Article II allows me to do whatever I want’), and a visceral ability to undermine institutions that exist to hold him accountable (‘fake news,’ ‘enemies of the people,’ etc.),” he wrote.

However, he notes, the president’s “… ineptness and preference for short-term attention over long-term power have prevented him from fully exploiting his potential. As such, his presidency should serve as a sort of stress test for those of us who want to preserve liberal democracy for our children and grandchildren.”

More importantly, he notes, with the president likely to lose in November “bigly” Lewis warned that another candidate like Trump could come along and use this president’s rise to power as a blueprint and thing could turn out even worse.

Posing the question of how the country could strip some powers away from an “even more dangerous future Trump,” the conservative columnist had a few suggestions.

“Some ideas are simple, if not easy,” he wrote. “A few of my personal favorites include: Parties should consider ranked-choice voting for primaries to prevent fringe candidates with a plurality of support from taking over a party. We should change the law so that presidential candidates have to release their taxes. We should pass a constitutional amendment doing away with a president’s unilateral power to grant pardons (especially his power to pardon family, friends, and… himself). Pass a law stating explicitly that a sitting president can be prosecuted for certain crimes committed while seeking the presidency or serving as president.”

None of this will work, he cautioned, unless the “adults” in the room take the need for change seriously.

 “Ultimately, the American people get what they want, and if they want a strongman, that’s what they will eventually have. That’s why the real goal—a nearly impossible feat—is to educate the public about the importance of civics—to reinforce the importance of maintaining a free society, and to educate them on how fragile the American experiment is,” he wrote before darkly warning, “The danger doesn’t end if and when Trump leaves the White House. At best, we have bought ourselves some time.”

LOL.  That is basically an argument that democracy doesn't work.  The people are too "stupid" to elect who the establishment wants them to rule the country.  For over a century America has been governed by a ruling class of mostly do nothing establishment politicians who feel entitled to govern the unwashed masses.  They have been told what to do by their paymasters and lobbyists.  Any outsider is derided as dangerous.  There are no republicans and democrats.  Only establishment politicians.  Trump terrified them because he is an outsider.  He can actually exercise his own judgment instead of waiting for some wonk or lobbyist to instruct him on what to do.  It is Alice in Wonderland logic to suggest that Trump is the threat to democracy. There is no democracy in this country.  We are simply given a choice between establishment figure 1 or 2.  Biden is the classic example.  He has been in public office for nearly five decades and has not a single achievement.  Not one.  He is clearly suffering from confusion and dementia but the establishment wants to have another figure head in office.  They will let him know what the agenda is once he is elected.

[Richard Smith]

There are no Biden supporters only Trump haters.

So what? When there are more Trump haters than Trump supporters, that alone is reason enough to kick him out of office, regardless of who is running against him.

A vote for Biden ensures that Trump will not get re-elected. I would vote for a monkey to get that incompentent lying piece of s**t out of the White House before he destroys the entire country. Having said that, Biden managed to be Vice-President for 8 years without any kind of scandal. With Trump the next scandal is only 24 hours away.

And Trump is a "self admitted sexual predator"?  That's false

Not it isn't....  You just don't want to believe it.

The guy is a weirdo. 

Biden is harmless compared to Trump....

In which Roger agrees with me that there are no Biden supporters, only Trump haters.  In fact, he suggests he would vote for a monkey over Trump.  Hopefully that monkey doesn't push the button to launch a nuclear strike thinking it summons the nurse to change his adult diaper as Biden might given his obvious dementia issues.

[Tom Scully]

LOL.  That is basically an argument that democracy doesn't work.  The people are too "stupid" to elect who the establishment wants them to rule the country.  For over a century America has been governed by a ruling class of mostly do nothing establishment politicians who feel entitled to govern the unwashed masses.  They have been told what to do by their paymasters and lobbyists.  Any outsider is derided as dangerous.  There are no republicans and democrats.  Only establishment politicians.  Trump terrified them because he is an outsider.  He can actually exercise his own judgment instead of waiting for some wonk or lobbyist to instruct him on what to do.  It is Alice in Wonderland logic to suggest that Trump is the threat to democracy. There is no democracy in this country.  We are simply given a choice between establishment figure 1 or 2.  Biden is the classic example.  He has been in public office for nearly five decades and has not a single achievement.  Not one.  He is clearly suffering from confusion and dementia but the establishment wants to have another figure head in office.  They will let him know what the agenda is once he is elected.

Translation: The rape victim, "had it coming," because she showed too much cleavage and her pants were too tight?
An exposed sexual predator you support is literally raping world stability and you whine with a "hey, look over here," post that addresses nothing more than .... what? What facts can you offer? Who passed the National Labor Relations Act, Social Security, Medicare, ACA, the Consumer Finance Protection Board, the Voting Rights Act? It sure wasn't the political faction you embrace!

Not Trump's fault....the uppity negro in the White House had a sketchy birth certificate, and somebody had to be the one to lie about sending his investigators to Hawaii (oh man! what they're finding!) was the real problem?

IOW, unprecedented corruption in service exclusively to Putin and other strongmen and to the top one percent and racists of all levels of wealth, and open, gleeful sabotage of the rule of law, of public health admin., and environmental protection, in the course of lying 20,000 times, even abusing press coverage of the presidency to constantly emphasize substance-free conspiracy theories are the solutions to what you object to?

  As would be expected from a Fake News Parrot, YOU are unfamiliar with the Details surrounding this case. Try NOT operating from a position of Ignorance. Expand your sources of Information.

Parrot? No Parrot! You're the Parrot!

American Carnage Patch Dolls -copyright Tom Scully, 2020

Kayleigh "Sgt Schultz" McEnany - https://www.thedailybeast.com/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-hasnt-changed-his-tone-on-coronavirus

and
Erin "Putin-Butina-NRA" Perrine

https://medium.com/@LaddEveritt/from-russia-with-love-for-the-nra-ffc69088fe41
NRA - Russia Timeline

ABC News - 9.44M subscribers
Trump campaign press communications director Erin Perrine discusses the campaign’s convention plans, the president’s handling of COVID-19 and challenging Joe Biden.

[John Iacoletti]

He can actually exercise his own judgment instead of waiting for some wonk or lobbyist to instruct him on what to do.

That’s the problem. His judgment sucks.

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  That is basically an argument that democracy doesn't work.  The people are too "stupid" to elect who the establishment wants them to rule the country.  For over a century America has been governed by a ruling class of mostly do nothing establishment politicians who feel entitled to govern the unwashed masses.  They have been told what to do by their paymasters and lobbyists.  Any outsider is derided as dangerous.  There are no republicans and democrats.  Only establishment politicians.  Trump terrified them because he is an outsider.  He can actually exercise his own judgment instead of waiting for some wonk or lobbyist to instruct him on what to do.  It is Alice in Wonderland logic to suggest that Trump is the threat to democracy. There is no democracy in this country.  We are simply given a choice between establishment figure 1 or 2.  Biden is the classic example.  He has been in public office for nearly five decades and has not a single achievement.  Not one.  He is clearly suffering from confusion and dementia but the establishment wants to have another figure head in office.  They will let him know what the agenda is once he is elected.

There is no democracy in this country.

Another stupid argument. If it were true, Trump would never have become President to begin with.

[Richard Smith]

Not Trump's fault....the uppity negro in the White House had a sketchy birth certificate, and somebody had to be the one to lie about sending his investigators to Hawaii (oh man! what they're finding!) was the real problem?

IOW, unprecedented corruption in service exclusively to Putin and other strongmen and to the top one percent and racists of all levels of wealth, and open, gleeful sabotage of the rule of law, of public health admin., and environmental protection, in the course of lying 20,000 times, even abusing press coverage of the presidency to constantly emphasize substance-free conspiracy theories are the solutions to what you object to?

Parrot? No Parrot! You're the Parrot!

American Carnage Patch Dolls -copyright Tom Scully, 2020

Kayleigh "Sgt Schultz" McEnany - https://www.thedailybeast.com/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-hasnt-changed-his-tone-on-coronavirus

and
Erin "Putin-Butina-NRA" Perrine

https://medium.com/@LaddEveritt/from-russia-with-love-for-the-nra-ffc69088fe41
NRA - Russia Timeline

ABC News - 9.44M subscribers
Trump campaign press communications director Erin Perrine discusses the campaign’s convention plans, the president’s handling of COVID-19 and challenging Joe Biden.

Can anyone interpret this into non-kook speak?  I'm not sure what Obama or Sgt. Schultz has to do with whether the American people should be allowed to decide who is their president.  That's a rhetorical question since the answer is obviously no. The point under discussion was whether the American people are simply too stupid to elect their leaders and need an establishment class of politicians (Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, McCain, Biden) to tell them who to elect and reelect and reelect while doing absolutely nothing other than promoting the interests of their own paymasters.

[Martin Weidmann]

That’s the problem. His judgment sucks.

As does "Richard's"