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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5866 on: September 16, 2022, 10:46:27 AM »
Former CIA chief: Trump committed obstruction of justice

On MSNBC Thursday, former CIA Director John Brennan accused former President Donald Trump of obstruction of justice for his efforts to conceal documents at Mar-a-Lago.

This comes as the FBI has seized material as part of a criminal investigation into the matter — an investigation currently put on hold by a Trump-appointed judge who has agreed to the former president's request to have a special master review all the documents.

"Let's give him the most generous read," said anchor Nicolle Wallace. "Even if he unwittingly took hundreds of the most sensitive intelligence documented created by our documents, human intelligence, things that aren't supposed to leave the originator. The government went in to get what wasn't turned over. Even then, there were lies told by Trump's team. If you have to offer the same sort of analysis of hoarding of state secrets, where do you come down?"

"It was intentional," said Brennan. "He knew he shouldn't have those documents. This absurd claim he declassified things is just absurd. There's no way. The fact that he brought them down there — it does seem as though there was a fair amount of obstruction of justice as they were moved around. The National Archives and Department of Justice were told untruths."

The whole situation, argued Brennan, is similar to the behavior Trump exhibited during the Russia investigation — and in that case, as well, seasoned prosecutors who investigated the matter concluded that the former president and his allies had likely committed obstruction.

"You are talking about the investigation into Russian interference in the election and Bill Barr's blatant mischaracterization what the Mueller Report found, the Mueller Report found although there was collusion, there wasn't the evidence that he was able to uncover for criminal conspiracy," said Brenna. "I would think criminal conspiracy here in terms of trying to avoid any type of understanding that these documents were in Mar-a-Lago is something that I think Donald Trump and others are vulnerable to potential future indictment."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5867 on: September 16, 2022, 10:41:52 PM »
It wouldn't matter to MAGA Republicans because they are a deranged radicalized cult. And yet these cultists pretend to be "religious".....what a joke!       


Lindsey Graham said Trump 'could kill fifty people on our side and it wouldn’t matter' to GOP voters: new book



A new book from reporters Peter Baker and Susan Glasser quotes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) as backing up former President Donald Trump's claim that he could get away with murder and Republican voters would still support him.

The Independent has obtained a copy of Baker and Glasser's new book, called "The Divider," and has found that Graham told them during Trump's first impeachment trial that there was very little anyone could do to dislodge Trump as the leader of the GOP, no matter how many crimes or misdeeds he committed.

"He could kill fifty people on our side and it wouldn’t matter," Graham explained.

The South Carolina senator also let Glasser and Baker know that he wasn't blind to some of the twice-impeached former president's shortcomings, as he also described Trump as a "lying m*********r" who was nonetheless "a lot of fun to hang out with."

Graham's relationship with Trump has been the subject of much curiosity over the years, as during the 2016 campaign he refused to endorse him and said Trump was both racist and crazy.

Now, however, Graham has become one of Trump's most ardent defenders, even after he incited a riot at the Capitol in which his supporters chanted for the hanging of Vice President Mike Pence.

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Watch: Arizona Speaker explains why he would not violate his oath for Trump’s coup attempt

Arizona state House Speaker Rusty Bowers explained why he would not violate his oath of office as Donald Trump sought to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

Bowers' statements were teased by CNN's Jake Tapper in a tease of a special to air over the weekend.

"I'm going to take a deeper dive into Donald Trump's and his allies to overturn the 2020 election in a brand-new CNN special report," Tapper said. "One of the people I spoke down with Rusty Bowers. Bowers detailed the phone call that he got from Trump and Rudy Giuliani and their attempts to throw out Arizona's legitimate election results."

Tapper teased a clip from his interview with Bowers.

"I can't give you the exact numbers, but they're kind of of the audacious numbers. Like, 200,000 illegal aliens voted. 6,000 military ballots were stolen and used," Bowers said.

The GOP legislator said, "I have never, ever heard of that and so, now you're asking me to do something that's against my oath and I -- I'm not going to do that."

Earlier this year, Bowers told the January 6 committee about phone calls from Trump and his allies asking him to decertify Arizona’s legitimate electors and replace them. Bowers said he repeatedly asked Trump's attorneys to show evidence of widespread fraud, but they never provided any.

“You are asking me to do something against my oath, and I will not break my oath,” Bowers said he told them. He recalled John Eastman, a chief architect of Trump's plan to create slates of fake electors, telling him to “just do it and let the courts sort it out.”

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« Reply #5868 on: September 17, 2022, 11:42:33 AM »
Chaos in Trumpland as ex-president’s lawyers keep committing blunders: NYT



Donald Trump's legal team is in chaos as he confronts investigations in Georgia, New York, and Washington, D.C.

On Friday, The New York Times reported, "Trump’s legal team has been distinguished in recent months mostly by infighting and the legal problems that some of its members appear to have gotten themselves into in the course of defending him."

The report noted former Trump White House lawyer Eric Hershmann failed to get guidance on how to respond to questions of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege.

"Mr. Trump has also just brought on a well-regarded lawyer, Christopher M. Kise, the former solicitor general of Florida, to help lead his legal team, after being rejected by a handful of others he had sought out, including former U.S. attorneys with experience in the jurisdictions where the investigations are unfolding," the newspaper reported. "Mr. Kise agreed to work for the former president for a $3 million fee, an unusually high retainer for Mr. Trump to agree to, according to two people familiar with the figure. Mr. Kise did not respond to an email seeking comment."

The newspaper noted Trump attorney Evan Corcoran may need to recuse himself.

"Two members of the Trump legal team working on the documents case, Mr. Corcoran and Christina Bobb, have subjected themselves to scrutiny by federal law enforcement officials over assurances they provided to prosecutors and federal agents in June that the former president had returned all sensitive government documents kept in his residence and subpoenaed by a grand jury, according to people familiar with the situation," the newspaper reported. "That assertion was proved to be untrue after the search of Mar-a-Lago in August turned up more than 100 additional documents with classification markings."

Bobb has retained defense lawyer John Lauro.

"Mr. Corcoran, the son of a former Republican congressman from Illinois, has told associates that he is the former president’s 'main' lawyer and has insisted to colleagues that he does not need to retain his own counsel, as Ms. Bobb has," The Times reported. "But several Trump associates have said privately that they believe Mr. Corcoran cannot continue in his role on the documents investigation. That view is shared by some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, who have suggested Mr. Corcoran needs to step away, in part because of his own potential legal exposure and in part because he has had little experience with criminal defense work beyond his stint as a federal prosecutor for the U.S. attorney in Washington more than two decades ago."

The newspaper reported Trump's defense team is being run by an aide whose phone was seized by the FBI.

"Mr. Trump has at least 10 lawyers working on the main investigations he faces," the newspaper reported. "To the extent anyone is regarded as a quarterback of the documents and Jan. 6-related legal teams, it is Boris Epshteyn, a former campaign adviser and Georgetown Law School graduate. Some aides tried to block his calls to Mr. Trump in 2020, according to former White House officials, but Mr. Epshteyn now works as an in-house counsel to Mr. Trump and speaks with him several times a day."

Read the full report: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/us/politics/trump-lawyers-herschmann.html



Former Trump aide claims Mark Meadows could be cooperating with DOJ more than we know

Donald Trump's former White House director of strategic communication suggested on CNN that Mark Meadows is actively cooperating with the Department of Justice.

Alyssa Farah Griffin was interviewed on Friday by CNN's Erin Burnett.

"I do think what's interesting about this is it signals that Meadows is -- I think that he's probably cooperating more than we realize with the Department of Justice," Griffin said.

"Okay," Burnett replied. "So if that's the case, that means that he is, what, maybe trying to make up for things like this? Or, I mean, who knows? Do you think it's possible that he is now cooperating a lot more maybe, in part, because of a statement like that, which was, at best, clueless and lazy and at worst a lie?"

"I think so," Griffin responded. "And also the fact that we haven't heard him on the airwaves trying to defend Trump or anything like it."

"So I think they have reached out to him and then he's either cooperating because he's a direct witness or he's cooperating because he has a certain level of criminal jeopardy," Griffin explained. "And the implications go beyond Mar-a-Lago because if he is cooperating and flips, that might implicate President Trump and all sorts of things with respect to Jan. 6, because I think he'd be a key witness against him."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5869 on: September 18, 2022, 10:40:57 AM »
Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom

This is deeply, deeply weird. It really is Jonestown-level stuff. These people are worshiping a real estate developer from Queens who can barely hold a thought in his head.

This is beyond un-American. It's psychotic.


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« Reply #5870 on: September 18, 2022, 11:23:53 PM »
Trump's new threat of a civil war makes him an 'imminent danger to our nation': lawmaker



During an appearance on MSNBC's "The Katie Phang Show," Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) dropped the hammer on Donald Trump over the wording in a new fundraising email which he claimed is encouraging another insurrection or civil war.

Speaking with the host the morning after Trump gave an over-the-top speech in Youngstown, Ohio that was described by one observer as "psychotic," Cohen read Trump's fundraising appeal before laying into the former president.

"I've got a fundraising letter that Trump just sent out yesterday, " he told the host as he began to read it. "He said 'The attacks on me earlier is really an attack on, you friend. They want power and it is up to us to rip that power from their hands and put it back where it belongs. I need a million dollars in the next few days. Get 1000 percent impact in the next 30. minutes and I need you, don't give this to anybody else. This is just for you.'"

"This is the biggest bunch of blarney and rip-off lies that you can imagine," he added with disgust. "The idea that he said 'we have to rip it from their hands' is really, I think, suggesting like he did earlier that if he is arrested, if he is indicted there will be problems in this country like you've never seen."

"He is threatening another insurrection, he is threatening civil war.," the Democratic lawmaker charged. "And he is encouraging these people to be prepared to do even more -- he is a present and imminent danger to our nation."

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« Reply #5871 on: September 18, 2022, 11:28:24 PM »
'She’s a joke!' Lauren Boebert berated by local TV broadcaster after debate 'embarrassment'



Local Colorado broadcasters addressed local congresswoman Lauren Boebert, who is up for reelection, along with her colleagues. But those back home take issue with how bad she's making their state look.

Republican analyst Michael Fields attacked the moderator at the recent debate with Boebert and claimed that it didn't matter because she would be reelected anyway.

"Literally the only argument that Michael has is that we should have better moderators," Democratic strategist Andy Boian shot back. "She's a joke. This whole reality that she's mocking her congressional seat? She's a United States Congresswoman. And to act like that is an embarrassment to Colorado. It's an embarrassment to the third [congressional district]. It's an embarrassment to the country. She's a joke. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a joke. Both should be voted out. I don't think, unfortunately, Boebert is going to be voted out this time, but the only response Republicans have is we should look at the moderator? I mean, give me a break. You've got to look at the actual person in the job doing the work. He has no defense for Lauren Boebert. She is a clown."

Boebert appeared at a debate last Sunday, where she constantly spoke about Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Finally, her opponent, Adam Frisch had to cut in and remind her that his name was Adam, not Nancy. When she finally got around to attacking her opponent, she complained about the inner workings of the Aspen city government.

After the debate, Frisch told the Aspen Daily News on Sunday that Boebert is "fishing hard” and “inner workings of Aspen city government” aren't big on the district's concerns.

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« Reply #5872 on: September 19, 2022, 10:57:22 PM »
Trump's embrace of QAnon is 'the last act of a desperate man': ex-FBI official predicts 'cult' acts are coming



Over the weekend, Donald Trump went to Ohio to speak out for Republican Senate candidate J.D. Vance. What has left political analysts and elected officials spinning is that Trump has gone beyond flirting with the QAnon cult, and went what some people are describing as full "Q"

MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace began Monday's "Deadline White House" saying that Trump is fully “tangled up in the sheets" of the conspiracy group. For the past few weeks, Trump has been sharing several QAnon memes, including one popular meme saying "The Storm is Coming." In QAnon world, "the storm" is the conspiracy that Trump will be placed back into the presidency and prosecute his opponents.

At the rally on Saturday, Trump spoke over a soundtrack that played QAnon "flavored songs," described The Philadelphia Inquirer. It resulted in many members of the crowd raising a single finger into the air, an apparent salute for the QAnon slogan "where we go one, we go all."

Speaking to Wallace was formerly assistant director for the FBI's counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi, who explained that Trump knows very well what QAnon is and he knows what he's doing by promoting it.

"It's like a moth to the flame, and the thing is, he knows that he's increasingly cornered," explained Figliuzzi. "He's in trouble on so many legal fronts, even criminal fronts now, that this is kind of the almost last act of a desperate man. And you can look at this and go, you know, Frank, be careful because that Youngstown, Ohio, rally was actually sparsely attended. The camera shots look great, people are stacked up behind him and right in front of him, but largely there was nobody in that arena. You can see this isn't that big of a threat."

The Trump rally was competing with the Ohio State-Toledo football game.

"I say, yeah, I got you on the attendance issue, but what is extremely dangerous based on past histories of cults is that as they come near the the end, as the leader is threatened, they get more and more dangerous and they do something cult experts call forcing the end," the counterterrorism expert explained. "Either the leader calls for the violence or the leaders is taken out, the members take a step up and force the ending, whatever that could be. That's what concerns me. We've learned from Jan. 6th that it only takes a small number of people to do that."

Wallace noted FBI Director Christopher Wray testifying to the House that there is a significant threat from anti-government domestic groups, which includes people from QAnon to militia groups.

Last week, Trump spoke with Hugh Hewitt and told law enforcement that they need to be on alert because his people are "going to be mad, mad, mad."

"It doesn't take a lot of cult members when incited by Donald Trump and warned publicly on the Hugh Hewitt radio show to carry out the violence he's warned about," Wallace explained, citing a terrorism expert who spoke out on CBS News.

Speaking to "Face the Nation," the University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape explained that looking at the percentage of people willing to stage a violent uprising is the equivalent of 13 million Americans. The percentage may be small, but the numbers are horrifying.

"The problem that we face is that over and over in [truths] by the former president, he is deliberately stoking not just the fires of anger getting him political support but the fires that are leading to that violent — the equivalent of 13 million," said Pape. "And that is really the heart of our problem that we face as a threat to democracy because if it's just a political threat, well, then we can have elections, But once it's not just denying an election but using violence as the response to an election denial, now we're in a new game."

Wallace explained that experts make it clear that this is all part of the plan and it has happened over and over in societies across the world and throughout history.

"It just hasn't happened here in a really long time, but the denial of the election result as a political maneuver comes first, and what it proceeds is violence," she said.

"So there's incremental steps that aren't even moving fast enough," said Figliuzzi. He has long noted that there is no law on the books that specifically deals with domestic terrorism.

"There's a penetration strategy, infiltration of state, local, county election officials, even add now that to over 100 -- something like 119 people running for office throughout the country that are election deniers," said Figliuzzi. "Get them in the House, the Senate, get them in key positions in key swing states as election officials and now you've got a recipe where we may not even be able to seek a legitimately elected next president of the United States because that's the degree of infiltration that's gone on here. And that's a recipe for violence, even as early as the midterms that could happen."

Going back to his training in international terrorism, he said that it's the combination of religion and cult status that leads people to martyr themselves.

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