Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

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Offline Joe Elliott

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« Reply #3888 on: March 16, 2021, 02:32:09 AM »
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EXPLAINER: Why countries are halting the AstraZeneca shot

https://apnews.com/article/why-countries-stopping-astrazeneca-vaccine-shot-explained-82f4c89a76c21f287e3041b52b7a69f0

Most European nations have stopped giving out the AstraZeneca vaccine. Why?

Because AstraZeneca announced there is a problem with their vaccine? No.
Because the European Medicines Agency announced there is a problem with their vaccine? No.
Because the World Health Organization announced there is a problem with their vaccine? No.

Because politicians have made this decision against the advice of the experts? Yes. Why?

Because a few people, about one in 500,000, developed blood clots shortly after receiving the vaccine. Older people are the ones who are mostly getting the vaccine. Older people are the ones who tend to develop blood clots, that can lead the strokes. But the number of people getting blood clots are no greater than the number expected. This is not my opinion but the opinion of the experts with the European Medicines Agency and the World Health Organization.

Only if the number of people with blood clots forming in the days after the vaccination significantly exceed the number expected, should stopping the vaccines be considered, and only if the number of expected deaths from not the vaccine exceeds the increase in number of people who get strokes. In any case, the decisions should be based on the opinion of experts, not politicians reacting to reports of people getting blood clots.

The European politicians are making the same mistake Trump made. Not following the advice of their medical experts. They need to remember that people, particularly older people, will develop blood clots, have strokes, have heart attacks, get cancer, regardless whether they receive a vaccine or not. Only if there is a surge of cases, and the medical experts have to be the ones who make this determination, should action be taken.

People’s lives will be lost because of the slowdown in the vaccination. A greater lose of lives may result in the increase of people being reluctant to take a vaccine, ever. These political decisions are made to order for the Anti-vaxxers. Even after the AstraZeneca vaccines are resumed, as I assume, they will be, they will use this episode to get people to distrust the AstraZeneca vaccine, and all the other vaccines. They will claim the governments discovered that the vaccines are harmful, but powerful interests forced the government into reversing their decisions. In Europe, as well as America, we need as many people as possible to get vaccinated. This panic by the politicians is not going to help that goal.

For ordinary people: get the vaccination when it is available to you. At the very least, if there is a significant chance you will bulk, don’t make an appointment. Instead, cancel your appointment. Don’t be a last minute no show. You will take away a vaccination from someone who needs it and want it, although, probably, someone less in need will get to take it. But it is important to decide to take the vaccine, don’t listen to internet advice from some anti-vaxxer, stay away from those sites, and go get your vaccine.

For politicians, don’t make decisions not based on the advice of the medical experts. Trump is not the only one guilty of this sin. In 2020, Europe and the better leaders for dealing with the pandemic. In 2021, I suspect it is America.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3889 on: March 16, 2021, 12:39:26 PM »
Ohio County Rejects Dominion Voting Systems After Trump Supporters Balk
March 11, 2021

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975935129/ohio-county-rejects-dominion-voting-systems-after-trump-supporters-balk

The most important asset of a Company selling vote counting machines is its reputation. It appears that the reputation of Dominion Voting Systems has been severely damaged by the repeated lies of Donald Trump. I doubt the company can stay in business. I hope they can successfully sue Trump and recover all the future potential profits they would have earned. But Trump is very good at avoiding penalties. He has all sorts of options, like declaring bankruptcy. In any case, if down the road Dominion does recoup some of its losses, it won’t help all the employees who I anticipate will have to be let go.

Look for sales of Dominion pillows soon.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3890 on: March 16, 2021, 06:07:47 PM »

Congratulations to the Political Leaders of Europe. Halting the AstraZeneca vaccines, against the advice of the medical experts, you just gave the Anti-vaxxers the biggest shot in the arm they ever received. They can’t buy publicity like this. This is a gift that will just keep on giving. The European political leaders all should retire and move to Mar-a-Lago.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3891 on: March 16, 2021, 06:14:17 PM »

There are now reports of people who did not receive an AstraZeneca vaccine on the day they developed blood clots. It appears that not taking this vaccine may cause blood clots. Most blood clots occur during periods when the victim had not recently received a vaccination. I already had one of two Moderna vaccinations, but I’m going to try to get the AstraZeneca vaccine so I don’t get any blood clots.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3892 on: March 16, 2021, 06:25:23 PM »

Quote from President of France Macron:

I’m not a real doctor but if I was, I would suspend the Astra Zeneca vaccines immediately.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3893 on: March 16, 2021, 10:09:51 PM »
Just like in 2016 Russia was in coordination with Criminal Donald's campaign to steal another election.

Expert: New intel report reveals ‘evidence of cooperation’ between Russia and Trump campaign
https://www.rawstory.com/expert-new-intel-report-reveals-evidence-of-cooperation-between-russia-and-trump-campaign/

Trump insiders turn on each other over ‘Dominion dossier’ as defamation lawsuits loom
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-dominion/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3894 on: March 16, 2021, 11:45:09 PM »
Just like in 2016 Russia was in coordination with Criminal Donald's campaign to steal another election.

Expert: New intel report reveals ‘evidence of cooperation’ between Russia and Trump campaign
https://www.rawstory.com/expert-new-intel-report-reveals-evidence-of-cooperation-between-russia-and-trump-campaign/

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"It's fascinating to see the extent to which the Russians were pushing the same messages about alleged Biden corruption, about his supposedly corrupt son, about you can't trust mail-in ballots, that the Democratic Party is trying to interfere with the election. These were the things that Trump was saying, but these were also the things that the Russians were saying, and in fact, the report highlights the close ties between Russian agents of influence like Andrii Derkach from Ukraine. Ukraine and Rudy Giuliani the president's lawyer, Konstantin Kilimnik is another one, who is a former business partner of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, so these ties are a copious and disturbing and to use a word we haven't heard in a few years, I would say this is certainly evidence. If not, it may be evidence of collusion, but it's definitely evidence of cooperation and and congruence between the Russians and the Trump campaign."

It figures that the Russians would have grave concerns over the mail-in ballots. Actually, I think the Russians have grave concerns over ballots of all types.



Trump insiders turn on each other over ‘Dominion dossier’ as defamation lawsuits loom
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-dominion/

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Although the dossier's author is listed on its cover sheet as Trump campaign legal volunteer Katherine Friess, she's now insisting she had nothing to do with it, and she's pinning the blame on former Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro for distributing the report.

Classic. Seems to be as much dispute over the authorship of this dossier is there is on the works of William Shakespeare. Katherine Friess needed to inform us that she was not the author when the dossier was released back in December. It’s a little late now.

Never trust a dossier that no one wants to admit to creating.


And, as always, good information from Rick Plant about Trump matters.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3895 on: March 17, 2021, 12:30:30 AM »
Russia stoked Ukraine allegations, used Trump allies to undermine Biden, U.S. intel agencies say
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/16/russia-stoked-ukraine-allegations-biden-476363

Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/election-interference-russia-2020-assessment.html

Russia's Putin directed 2020 election meddling, U.S. finds
https://news.yahoo.com/u-intelligence-report-concludes-russia-181055557.html

Putin pushed Biden misinformation to Trump allies and media in 2020 election, U.S. says
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/putin-pushed-biden-misinformation-to-trump-allies-during-election.html

Russia targeted Trump allies to hurt Biden in 2020 election, US officials say
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/16/russia-interfere-2020-us-presidential-election-trump-biden

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