Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Rick Plant]

Tell me again how right wing Republicans are for the "forgotten man" and the "working man"? 

Every single Republican voted against the working class today to give them COVID relief. If this was a bill to give relief to billionaires and corporations, these right wingers couldn't vote "yes" fast enough. The right wing scam backfired, their goal was to obstruct and refuse to pass anything so they could attack Biden for "not getting anything done". Same playbook they used against Obama. This goes to show you how much Republicans hate America and their own constituents, because they wanted to make them suffer in order for their own greed and political power. How corrupt and disgusting is that? Yet, some right wing morons still won't care and will still keep voting for these frauds anyway. What a bunch of stupid brainwashed idiots.

You can thank President Biden and Democrats in Congress for giving you COVID relief.

Senate passes $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill, including $1,400 stimulus checks, with no Republican support: The House will vote Tuesday on this version of the legislation before it goes to President Joe Biden, who called the aid "urgently needed," for his signature

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-passes-1-9-trillion-covid-relief-bill-including-1-n1259795

[Rick Plant]

Lots of degenerates in Idaho that support a fascist party and a orange career criminal con man. It's because of losers like this, the COVID-19 pandemic is out of control because they continue to spread COVID making people sick and some eventually die. These people are not "Pro Life". They only use the abortion issue as a political talking point. Life means nothing to these people. And why do these ignorant right wingers feel the way they do about masks? They were fed lies by Criminal Donald, his lying administration, and the despicable right wing media that politicized the virus right out of gate with lies and conspiracy theories. If they were truthful and encouraged masks, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved and millions of infections would have been prevented. It all starts at the top, and we were lied to every step of the way by the former criminal administration. That's why they are out of power today!


Protesters Get Kids to Burn Face Masks in Idaho, a State With No Mask Mandate
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-anti-maskers-organize-mask-burnings-despite-no-state-mask-mandate

Video shows kids tossing heaps of face masks into a fire outside the Idaho state capitol at an anti-mask rally
https://www.insider.com/anti-maskers-idaho-kids-burn-masks-outside-capitol-2021-3

[Rick Plant]

Illegal immigrants are pouring across the border unchecked bringing the virus

Criminal Donald claimed he would end illegal immigration. He had 4 years. Why didn't he?

Criminal Donald said the virus was a "hoax" and you believed it.   

The biggest carriers of the virus are white maskless right wing Republicans that spread it all throughout the United States.     

Gas prices are soaring.

Gas prices were high under Criminal Donald.

5 gas? California gas prices soar as national average approaches $3

May 3, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/05/03/gas-prices/3661261002/

The market is crashing.

Really? 

Dow soars 572 points as strong jobs report emboldens dip-buying in tech stocks
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-strong-february-jobs-report-dow-tech-2021-3-1030156147

Dow, Nasdaq Soar
https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-soars-bond-market-cools-democrats-trim-coronavirus-stimulus-measure-minimum-wage-apple-stock-boeing-stock-tesla-stock-nio-stock-bitcoin/

Schools are still closed.

Criminal Donald had 10 months to get COVID-19 under control and he refused to do anything about it. Right wingers refused to wear masks and social distance to reduce the transmission of the virus. That's why schools and most other large gathering facilities are still closed because of GOP failure and neglect. Since President Biden has been on the job, COVID-19 is decreasing and schools and businesses are slowly opening again. Major League ballparks and theme parks will be opening again starting in April. If Criminal Donald was still in office, everything still would be closed and COVID19 would be worse. 

A strong jobs report?  I guess there is no need for that $1.9 trillion bailout for the dem states that mismanaged the virus.  Well done Old Joe!  You haven't' screwed up Trump's economy yet.

COVID relief is essential to millions of Americans to get this economy going again. Not one Republican voted to help Americans. The "Trump economy" is a disaster with millions of people out of work standing in miles long bread lines to get scraps of food to eat. Trump has the worst job loss record since the Great Depression and the Biden economy will be stronger than it was when he and Obama created the greatest economy on record. Democratic blue states did a fantastic job of battling COVID-19 with hardly any help from the corrupt Trump administration and right wingers refusing to obey the stay at home orders. Red states are a disaster, they mismanaged the pandemic, and we see it getting worse everyday.     

Strong jobs report: US adds a strong 379,000 jobs in hopeful sign for economy
https://abc13.com/february-jobs-report-job-growth-us-economy-hiring/10390637/

Senate Passes $1.9 Trillion Covid Relief Bill Without a Single Republican Vote
The bill will now return to the House for a final vote before being signed into law
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/senate-passes-covid-relief-bill-1137925/

How New York City Got Control of COVID-19 — and Where It Goes from Here
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-new-york-city-got-control-of-covid19

How New York has been able to keep coronavirus at bay while other states see surges
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-coronavirus-bay-states-surges/story?id=71772507

Just 4 states meet these basic criteria to reopen and stay safe: Colorado, Connecticut, New Jersey, and New York — met four or five of the goals, which demonstrates strong progress
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/28/21270515/coronavirus-covid-reopen-economy-social-distancing-states-map-data

COVID-19 deaths are mounting in Florida again, to about half the rate of summer surge
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article248640315.html

Florida’s COVID-19 surge could continue for weeks, experts say
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-outlook-florida-20210107-34acdk272vhkhj3oiwdd3fa2bi-story.html

COVID-19 cases surge 26.4% in Florida
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2021/01/03/gda-covid-19-state-2021-01-03-fl-ptal/43307345/

Spring Breakers pack into Florida beach towns despite pandemic: College students are flooding into Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale for Spring Break. Many appeared to have left their masks at home
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/spring-break-florida-beaches-pandemic-b1813199.html

Facing a crush of COVID-19 patients, ICUs are completely full in at least 50 Texas hospitals
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/22/coronavirus-texas-hospital-capacity/

APH warns ending the mask mandate could lead to spring COVID-19 surge
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/aph-warns-ending-the-mask-mandate-could-lead-to-spring-covid-19-surge

He is shuffling around like a dementia patient who has escaped from the nursing home.  It is sad to watch the confusion and fear in his eyes as he tries to understand what is going on.

Well, that's why Criminal Donald was defeated in a blowout. His dementia and poor health was deteriorating each week to where he was slurring his words during his insane "speeches". He drinks water like a small child using two hands and can barely walk down a ramp always looking confused and disoriented. That lunatic should have been removed from office 4 years ago.

Former White House strategist Steve Bannon thought Donald Trump was suffering from early-stage dementia and campaigned covertly to remove him from office via the 25th amendment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/16/trump-dementia-claims-steve-bannon-25th-amendment

Does Trump have frontotemporal dementia? President's 2019 impromptu hospital visit sparks speculations
https://meaww.com/trump-is-not-well-frontotemporal-dementia-walter-reed-hospital-visit-spark-twitterati-speculation

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Criminal Donald claimed he would end illegal immigration. He had 4 years. Why didn't he?

Criminal Donald said the virus was a "hoax" and you believed it.   

The biggest carriers of the virus are white maskless right wing Republicans that spread it all throughout the United States.     
 
Gas prices were high under Criminal Donald.

5 gas? California gas prices soar as national average approaches $3

May 3, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/05/03/gas-prices/3661261002/


Really? 

Dow soars 572 points as strong jobs report emboldens dip-buying in tech stocks
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-strong-february-jobs-report-dow-tech-2021-3-1030156147

Dow, Nasdaq Soar
https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-soars-bond-market-cools-democrats-trim-coronavirus-stimulus-measure-minimum-wage-apple-stock-boeing-stock-tesla-stock-nio-stock-bitcoin/
 
Criminal Donald had 10 months to get COVID-19 under control and he refused to do anything about it. Right wingers refused to wear masks and social distance to reduce the transmission of the virus. That's why schools and most other large gathering facilities are still closed because of GOP failure and neglect. Since President Biden has been on the job, COVID-19 is decreasing and schools and businesses are slowly opening again. Major League ballparks and theme parks will be opening again starting in April. If Criminal Donald was still in office, everything still would be closed and COVID19 would be worse. 

COVID relief is essential to millions of Americans to get this economy going again. Not one Republican voted to help Americans. The "Trump economy" is a disaster with millions of people out of work standing in miles long bread lines to get scraps of food to eat. Trump has the worst job loss record since the Great Depression and the Biden economy will be stronger than it was when he and Obama created the greatest economy on record. Democratic blue states did a fantastic job of battling COVID-19 with hardly any help from the corrupt Trump administration and right wingers refusing to obey the stay at home orders. Red states are a disaster, they mismanaged the pandemic, and we see it getting worse everyday.     

Strong jobs report: US adds a strong 379,000 jobs in hopeful sign for economy
https://abc13.com/february-jobs-report-job-growth-us-economy-hiring/10390637/

Senate Passes $1.9 Trillion Covid Relief Bill Without a Single Republican Vote
The bill will now return to the House for a final vote before being signed into law
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/senate-passes-covid-relief-bill-1137925/

How New York City Got Control of COVID-19 — and Where It Goes from Here
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-new-york-city-got-control-of-covid19

How New York has been able to keep coronavirus at bay while other states see surges
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-coronavirus-bay-states-surges/story?id=71772507

Just 4 states meet these basic criteria to reopen and stay safe: Colorado, Connecticut, New Jersey, and New York — met four or five of the goals, which demonstrates strong progress
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/28/21270515/coronavirus-covid-reopen-economy-social-distancing-states-map-data

COVID-19 deaths are mounting in Florida again, to about half the rate of summer surge
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article248640315.html

Florida’s COVID-19 surge could continue for weeks, experts say
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-outlook-florida-20210107-34acdk272vhkhj3oiwdd3fa2bi-story.html

COVID-19 cases surge 26.4% in Florida
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2021/01/03/gda-covid-19-state-2021-01-03-fl-ptal/43307345/

Spring Breakers pack into Florida beach towns despite pandemic: College students are flooding into Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale for Spring Break. Many appeared to have left their masks at home
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/spring-break-florida-beaches-pandemic-b1813199.html

Facing a crush of COVID-19 patients, ICUs are completely full in at least 50 Texas hospitals
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/22/coronavirus-texas-hospital-capacity/

APH warns ending the mask mandate could lead to spring COVID-19 surge
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/aph-warns-ending-the-mask-mandate-could-lead-to-spring-covid-19-surge

Well, that's why Criminal Donald was defeated in a blowout. His dementia and poor health was deteriorating each week to where he was slurring his words during his insane "speeches". He drinks water like a small child using two hands and can barely walk down a ramp always looking confused and disoriented. That lunatic should have been removed from office 4 years ago.

Former White House strategist Steve Bannon thought Donald Trump was suffering from early-stage dementia and campaigned covertly to remove him from office via the 25th amendment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/16/trump-dementia-claims-steve-bannon-25th-amendment

Does Trump have frontotemporal dementia? President's 2019 impromptu hospital visit sparks speculations
https://meaww.com/trump-is-not-well-frontotemporal-dementia-walter-reed-hospital-visit-spark-twitterati-speculation

Truly what a toady toad be were be

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

[Walt Cakebread]

Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

You're singin my song , Mr Gilbraith.....  I have never been a Trump man....as far as I'm concerned he's a 75 year old with a 13 year mentality. ....And on the other hand we have ol Joe who clearly has dementia..... Our citizens had better WAKE UP, and start using their God given brains ..... Dr Zuess,  Cat in the Hat is now banned???  Utterly ridiculous.

[Joe Elliott]

Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

I not a leftist. I think California’s State Income Tax is way too high. But that is what Californian’s want. I think that, someday, they will realize they are in error and make an adjustment. In the meantime, California’s economy will suffer. But Great Britain shows that a Democracy can make a big mistake, too much government spending in the 1940’s through 1970’s, and still recover.

As far as Plant’s “hysteria” is concerned, well I got a little “hysterical” over Trump’s statements and actions, climaxed by the assault on the Capitol, which we could see coming for weeks, or at least something like that was coming. I’ve just managed to calm down over it in the last few weeks.

I think the “Trump issues” have some relevance to the “JFK Assassination”. For years, some CTers, not all, but a good many, have argued that the JFK Assassination was done to subvert Democracy. To steer the country into the Vietnam War. And some argue that this secret Deep State controls the country to this very day, with threats to whoever happens to be President.

Dictators love these types of arguments. The best way to attack Democracy is not to say it’s no good. “Your better off if we control things rather than the people controlling themselves”. Its to make an indirect attack. To argue “Oh, you think you have a Democracy? Don’t you realize that there is a Secret Deep State that is really controlling things. How naïve can you get?”. Pushing a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy is their best option.

I think the two biggest arguments against the existence of Democracy in America today are:
1.   Trump’s argument that the election was stolen from him.
2.   There was a conspiracy of the U. S. Government, or at least parts of it, to assassinate JFK and get control of the country.

If anyone can name anything as big or bigger, let’s hear it.

Duncan’s forum is not just about solving a cold murder case. It is about something bigger. Does Democracy exist in American today or not? Moscow would love it if we conclude it does not. Get people to believe that and they are half way home.

So, Duncan is wise not to suppress this. The members of the forum have a right to address whatever issue they thing is important. Plant makes a lot of posts. And others make a lot of posts on this subject. Because many members of this forum think that this subject is important. And it does have some relevance to the JFK Assassination since both the Trump case and the JFK Assassination Conspiracy case attack and diminish the people’s faith in Democracy.

The solution is not for Duncan to decide what we should talk about but let the members decide. Anyone can decide to post, or not to post, on this thread or any other.

[Joe Elliott]

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

You're singin my song , Mr Gilbraith.....  I have never been a Trump man....as far as I'm concerned he's a 75 year old with a 13 year mentality. ....And on the other hand we have ol Joe who clearly has dementia..... Our citizens had better WAKE UP, and start using their God given brains ..... Dr Zuess,  Cat in the Hat is now banned???  Utterly ridiculous.

And banning Dr. Seuss is somehow Biden’s fault? Yes, he hasn’t done much about it. But he has bigger Eggs and Ham to fry. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

In any case, the sales of Dr. Seuss’s books have shot up and so the American people have rallied to the support the Doctor who believed that people and eggs of all colors have value.