Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Colin Crow]

I'm not sure that I'm following your logic.  It is Trump that has pushed for a vaccine as a solution to the virus from day one while dems were waving around masks that don't work.  It is the nutty dems like Kantala and Cuomo that have cast false doubt on the safety of any vaccine.  Hoping to delay its distribution until after Jan. 20.  Trump has been the biggest advocate of the vaccine.  It is Alice-in-Wonderland thinking to blame him for any reluctance to take the vaccine.

Your comment was that "Trump found the solution"....ie the vaccine. (It was a few pages back. Cant be bothered formatting.)

The solution of the vaccine relies on herd immunity being developed via its deployment to at least 70% of the population.

I immediately replied...."What % of Trump voters are antivaxers? How ironically hysterical."

The people who support Trump are not going to allow his "solution" to prevail. Your reference to Democrat suspicion was fear that Trump was rushing the vaccine deployment before safety concerns were allayed.

As the graph shows it is Republicans who will not allow herd immunity to develop. Do you now see the irony?

No doubt you are aware that Qanon loonies support Trump and there is significant cross contamination with antivaxer loonies as well.

Here's an analogy.....The atomic bomb is developed and Truman encouraged to use it to end the war in Japan. Democrats won’t agree for him to use it.

[Martin Weidmann]

Again no specifics.  Are you suggesting Trump hasn't advocated a vaccine?  Are you suggesting that Kantala and Cuomo are not the ones expressing concerns about the vaccine?

I already answered those questions....

Are you suggesting Trump hasn't advocated a vaccine?

No. I am suggesting no such thing, but advocating a vaccine doesn't make it a "Trump vaccine"

Are you suggesting that Kantala and Cuomo are not the ones expressing concerns about the vaccine?

Expressing concerns because you want the medication to be safe for use is a bad thing? Not everybody is as reckless as Trump.

[Richard Smith]

Your comment was that "Trump found the solution"....ie the vaccine. (It was a few pages back. Cant be bothered formatting.)

The solution of the vaccine relies on herd immunity being developed via its deployment to at least 70% of the population.

I immediately replied...."What % of Trump voters are antivaxers? How ironically hysterical."

The people who support Trump are not going to allow his "solution" to prevail. Your reference to Democrat suspicion was fear that Trump was rushing the vaccine deployment before safety concerns were allayed.

As the graph shows it is Republicans who will not allow herd immunity to develop. Do you now see the irony?

No doubt you are aware that Qanon loonies support Trump and there is significant cross contamination with antivaxer loonies as well.

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

[Martin Weidmann]

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

If the vaccine is safe and works there won't be a single democrat that will tell people not to take it.

Btw didn't Trump say recently that he wasn't going to distribute the vaccine to New York?

[Colin Crow]

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

Why do you think irony is associated with fault? The reality is that Republicans (Trump's own party) are reluctant to partake of his vaccine. To an extent that will not allow it to be effective. There is no blame allocated, maybe other than Trump accepting the loonies as supporters.

Do you know how Darwinism works? There is no element of Darwinism here.....

[Michael T. Griffith]

Everybody is thrilled that Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna have each developed a COVID-19 vaccine that is 90-95% effective and that distribution of the vaccine will begin in January or February--just as President Trump said would happen. Do you remember how Biden and Harris and liberal "news" networks mocked Trump's claim that a vaccine was just about ready and that it would be available early in 2021? It turns out that Trump knew what he was talking about (because, naturally enough, he was frequently getting updates from the drug companies and from FDA officials who were tracking vaccine development).

And you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has ordered the FDA to fast-track approval of the vaccine. Do you remember when Biden said a vaccine might not be ready until 2022? Remember that? Remember how he scoffed at Trump's statement that a vaccine would be ready by the end of this year and would be distributed early in 2021? Remember? 

[Colin Crow]

Everybody is thrilled that Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna have each developed a COVID-19 vaccine that is 90-95% effective and that distribution of the vaccine will begin in January or February--just as President Trump said would happen. Do you remember how Biden and Harris and liberal "news" networks mocked Trump's claim that a vaccine was just about ready and that it would be available early in 2021? It turns out that Trump knew what he was talking about (because, naturally enough, he was frequently getting updates from the drug companies and from FDA officials who were tracking vaccine development).

And you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has ordered the FDA to fast-track approval of the vaccine. Do you remember when Biden said a vaccine might not be ready until 2022? Remember that? Remember how he scoffed at Trump's statement that a vaccine would be ready by the end of this year and would be distributed early in 2021? Remember?

"President Donald Trump said the U.S. government could start distributing a coronavirus vaccine as early as October, a much more optimistic estimate than his own health officials have publicly advised.

“We’re very close to that vaccine as you know and I think much closer than I think most people want to say,” Trump said during a White House press briefing Wednesday. “We think we can start some time in October. So as soon as it’s announced we’ll be able to start. That will be from mid-October on. It may be a little bit later than that.”"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/trump-says-he-thinks-us-could-start-distributing-a-coronavirus-vaccine-in-october.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/biden-team-crafts-vaccine-plan-with-eye-on-politics-of-trump-bid

Both articles from September this year. Damn politics. You have any "scoffing" references?

And how would Trump know the results of double blind experiments? You do know how they work don’t you?