Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[John Iacoletti]

Until election day, hopefully Richard will post on JFK issues. I miss his insight and perspective.

I don't.  His JFK posts are filled with all the same kinds of strawman arguments and empty rhetoric.

[John Iacoletti]

Trump just needs to win Ohio, Florida, and NC.  Then pick up either PA or Michigan.  And he will win.  Very possible.

"Just".  LOL.

[John Iacoletti]

Don't see Benedict Donald or his right wing sycophants tweeting about the Dow Jones.

Right?  Where is stock-market-"Richard" now?

[John Iacoletti]

When people learn about these statistics, their first reaction is usually, "Then why in the world are we so panicked over this virus?"

Maybe because we don't consider people over 60 to be expendable for the sake of the almighty dollar.

* A rational, fact-based approach would be to impose strict protective measures on ages 65 and above and on the medically ill, and to let everyone else resume normal life.

You're trying to have it both ways.  You can't use statistics that are based on the implementation of mitigation efforts in order to argue that these efforts are not necessary.

Instead of banning large gatherings or limiting large gatherings to 10K-20K people, lift all such restrictions but ban anyone aged 65 and older and the medically ill from attending. Instead of making everyone wear masks, only require masks for the aged and the medically ill.

Masks are for the infected people, not for the infectees.   The younger people may be less likely to die or have severe symptoms, but they can still spread the virus to others who are not.  This would make no sense whatsoever.

[John Tonkovich]

We wage valiant war against misinformation.
Thank you, noble Iacolletti, for raising your sword in combat.
Fellow knights: To the battlements!

[Rick Plant]

A few points in reply regarding COVID-19:

* Citing population density to explain away Michigan's bad COVID-19 numbers compared to Sweden's is unconvincing. If Michigan's draconian lockdown measures were the right approach, population density should not matter, given the fact that Swedes have been out of their homes a great deal more than have Michigan's residents. Furthermore, Taiwan's population density (1,680 per square mile) is more than double Michigan's, yet Taiwan has had fewer cases and deaths than any nation on earth.

* We can all Google the fact that the panic-peddling experts cited so often by liberals screamed bloody murder that we would see massive numbers of new deaths in states that began to reopen in May. Not only has this *not* happened, but the case death rate has dropped by more than 50% since states began to reopen. Yet, Democrats continue to scream about the increase in the number of cases, while they ignore the dramatic drop in the death rate.

* Cases where sizable groups of people were isolated when COVID-19 broke out, such as three notable cruise ship cases, prove that the virus's transmission rate is nowhere near as high as liberals keep claiming. In all those cases, the transmission rate was below 50%.

* If your only sources of news is the traditional news outlets, you will rarely if ever hear about the following facts:

-- That the overall average survival rate is over 97%.

-- That the death rate for ages 0-19 is between 0.01% and 0.09%, much lower than the flu's death rate.

-- That the death rate for ages 20 to 34 is no more dangerous than the common flu--the death rate is between 0.13% and 0.29%, virtually the same as the flu.

-- That the death rate for ages 35 to 49 is only 0.44%, or far below 1%, which, of course, equals a survival rate of 99.56%.

-- That the death rate for ages 50-59 is 1.49%, which equals a survival rate of 98.51%.

-- The the death rate for ages 60-100 ranges between 2.4% and 13.5%, since the death rate for ages 65-100 is much higher than it is for ages 60-64.

When people learn about these statistics, their first reaction is usually, "Then why in the world are we so panicked over this virus?"

* A rational, fact-based approach would be to impose strict protective measures on ages 65 and above and on the medically ill, and to let everyone else resume normal life. Instead of banning large gatherings or limiting large gatherings to 10K-20K people, lift all such restrictions but ban anyone aged 65 and older and the medically ill from attending. Instead of making everyone wear masks, only require masks for the aged and the medically ill.

Then, once we have a vaccine, the first groups to get it should be the aged and the medically ill. Once they've had the vaccine, they could resume normal life.

More right wing propaganda and disinformation.

Taiwan has the least amount of numbers because they locked down and all wore masks. Same thing in New Zealand and in Australia.

Sweden is having a horrible surge just like in South Dakota and North Dakota because they did NOTHING to prevent the spread of COVID.

The United States is at the worst point at anytime during the pandemic. 47 states have the most amount of infection, death, and hospitals are being overwhelmed.

People who contract the coronavirus are suffering from long term effects. You shouldn't be allowed to be posting dangerous health disinformation.


White House coronavirus taskforce warns of 'unrelenting' spread
US is going in ‘wrong direction’ says Fauci as Covid cases rise in 47 states and patients overwhelm hospitals across the US
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/29/white-house-coronavirus-taskforce-fauci-covid-spread

Sweden sets new daily COVID-19 case record as infections surge
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-cases/sweden-sets-new-daily-covid-19-case-record-as-infections-surge-idUSL8N2HJ5RE


Top Trump health official warns of 'draconian measures' if America doesn't mask up

In other coronavirus news: Trump sidelined experts early in pandemic, there are too many new cases in Philadelphia to track, and teens and tweens are volunteering for Covid-19 vaccine test trials.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/top-trump-health-official-warns-draconian-measures-if-america-doesn-n1245116


U.S. Coronavirus Cases Surpass 9 Million With No End In Sight: Cases rapidly increasing in 20 states as one Governor describes it an an 'urgent crisis' 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/coronavirus-nine-million

US sets weekly record with over 500,000 new COVID-19 cases
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/523459-us-surpasses-500000-covid-cases-sets-new-weekly-record

An American dies from COVID-19 every 107 seconds
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/10/29/covid-19-trump-biden-halloween-nice-france-zeta-thursdays-news/6062655002/

[John Tonkovich]

Sir Taunt-alot.

Taunt. Definition ( Oxford):  provoke or challenge someone with insulting remarks.
You do realize that you are guilty of that which you accuse me of?
Have a nice day.