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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1148 on: July 30, 2020, 05:58:03 PM »
Fred Trump Sr. to a young Donald: “lie, cheat and steal. But win”. Per Mary Trump.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1149 on: July 30, 2020, 06:21:25 PM »
I'm surprised Trump went off script about justification for postponing the November election. It is supposed to be postponed because of "unrest" he and Barr are ginning up, and imaginary "massive vote by mail fraud", and not because he's lost the war against covid-19.

I fear Trump is proposing postponement of the election to justify his planned refusal to accept the outcome.
He will claim the voting was "rigged", he will refuse to concede defeat or agree to exit, reminding the MSM he tried to postpone the election to avoid the "rigged outcome" he is not required to accept.

He is already claiming the vote will be "rigged".

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/25/donald-trump-rigged-election-talk-fears-274477
Trump sees a ‘rigged election’ ahead. Democrats see a constitutional crisis in the making.
The president’s increasingly amped-up rhetoric surrounding the integrity of the November elections has many wondering how he might respond to a defeat.

May 25, 2020 - Then President Donald Trump followed up Sunday with two more broadly worded warnings that November would be “the greatest Rigged ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/politics/trump-voter-fraud-lies-fact-check/index.html
Trump spreads new lies about foreign-backed voter fraud, stoking fears of a 'rigged election' this November
Jun 22, 2020 - ... President Donald Trump changed the subject Monday morning with a ... in US elections, stoking fears of a "rigged election" this November.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/28/no-reason-think-2020-election-rigged-barr-differs-trump/5528883002/
'No reason to think' 2020 election is rigged, AG Bill Barr testifies, breaking with Trump
Kevin Johnson Kristine Phillips
USA TODAY

Once vote by mail is set up by individual states, it makes little difference if covid-19 remains uncontrolled.

The real problem Trump is concerned about, besides sinking in the polls in states he "won" in 2016, is doubt about
the effectiveness of this "Op" if vote by mail and early voting blunt the potential to diminish the non-white vote.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Security_Task_Force

Ballot Security Task Force -
The National Ballot Security Task Force (BSTF) was a controversial group founded in 1981 in ... The RNC unsuccessfully tried to lift the consent decree early; these attempts were ... The consent decree was set to expire on December 1, 2017. ... conduct, but the request was denied in January 2018 and the decree expired.
‎Overview · ‎1982 lawsuit and consent ... · ‎Republican attempts to lift ... · ‎2016 motion

Ushering in "the op" to sabotage "those people" in-person voting :

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/Voting-republicans-trump.html

Freed by Court Ruling, Republicans Step Up Effort to Patrol Voting
May 18, 2020 - Officials seek to recruit 50000 poll watchers and spend millions to fight ... recruiting up to 50,000 volunteers in 15 key states to monitor polling ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-vote-volunteers-polling-monitors-november-election-democrats-a9521011.html
Trump recruiting 50,000 polling site monitors in thinly veiled to harass and intimidate voters, activists warn
President’s own commission did not report single confirmed case of voter fraud in 2016 election

May 18, 2020 - Republicans want to recruit 50000 volunteers in 15 crucial states to observe polling places on election day this November to ensure there is no ...

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1151 on: July 30, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »
Biden Maintains Strong Lead Over Trump

Wesley Dockery

Three polls released Wednesday show presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden with a solid lead on incumbent Donald Trump.

Polls from Economist/YouGov and CNBC/Change Research both show Biden leading by 9 percentage points. Rasmussen Reports, a right-leaning polling company, shows Biden leading Trump, 48%-42%.

CNBC/Change Research surveys of battleground states painted a grim picture for Trump's reelection bid. Polling shows Biden owns slim leads in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Of the six states, Biden fares the best in Wisconsin, with a 5-point lead, and fares the worst in Arizona and Pennsylvania, where he has a 2-point lead. The six states have a total of 101 electoral votes.

Since establishing a clear path to the Democratic nomination, Biden has consistently looked strong in most polls in head-to-head matchups with Trump.

On Monday, a Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey showed Biden leading Trump by 10 points. The national poll noted that Biden is viewed by a strong majority of voters as better equipped to lead during the coronavirus and racial turbulence.

An NBC News/Marist Poll released Monday showed Biden leading by 7 points in North Carolina, and also showed Democratic Senate candidate Cal Cunningham leading Sen. Thom Tillis by 9 points and Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper leading Republican challenger Dan Forest by 20 points.

Biden is expected to name his running mate in the coming days. Among his top choices are California Sen. Kamala Harris, former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice and Illinois Sen. Tammy Duckworth. The pick could result in a shift in polling numbers, depending on the public response to the running mate choice.

Trump and Biden will have their first of three debates on Sept. 29 in Cleveland. The election, which will take place on Nov. 3, is 96 days away.

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1152 on: July 30, 2020, 07:29:09 PM »
That's good news, Mr. Scully.
This Flynn case just won't go away. Even despite Barr's best efforts.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1153 on: July 30, 2020, 07:47:48 PM »
That's good news, Mr. Scully.
This Flynn case just won't go away. Even despite Barr's best efforts.

I heard yesterday that William Barr is worth $20 million +. If he has any sense, he'll resign before the Aug. 11 hearing and leave the U.S. The majority of this appeals court are not Trumpkins like Judge Rao. Nothing that Judge Sullivan had already ruled on was submitted in the Barr engineered, 108 page pleading Barr's stooge submitted to Judge Sullivan's court arguing Flynn should no longer even face charges due to imaginary prosecutorial "misconduct" no one is actually being held accountable for, because it did not happen.

Barr acted at the direction of a letter sent to him by Flynn's "attorney" Sidney Powell, and not on the evidence or on any legal basis.

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https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/07/27/hjc-should-ask-bill-barr-why-it-would-do-irreparable-harm-if-he-had-to-explain-his-actions-in-the-flynn-case/
HJC SHOULD ASK BILL BARR WHY IT WOULD DO IRREPARABLE HARM IF HE HAD TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS IN THE FLYNN CASE
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DOJ has argued that DOJ would face irreparable harm if they had to explain their actions in the Mike Flynn case under oath. Which is reason enough that HJC should focus on that question when Bill Barr comes to testify tomorrow.
.....One thing that should be included, however, is the letter that Sidney Powell sent Barr and Jeffrey Rosen in June 2019 and Bill Barr’s actions to deliver on her demands in the subsequent year, actions that DOJ itself admits would do irreparable harm if DOJ had to explain.

The letter was effectively a road map of demands, many of them based off hoaxes, almost all of them unrelated to Flynn’s prosecution or false. It later became the Brady demand that Judge Emmet Sullivan rejected in a meticulous opinion last December. In it, Powell demanded that DOJ conduct a review of the prosecution and then dismiss the prosecution......

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https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/07/30/full-dc-circuit-shifts-mike-flynn-analysis-back-to-what-it-should-be-unusual-remedy/
FULL DC CIRCUIT SHIFTS MIKE FLYNN ANALYSIS BACK TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE: UNUSUAL REMEDY
5 Comments/July 30, 2020/emptywheel
The full DC Circuit is going to re-hear Mike Flynn's petition for a writ of mandamus, this time reviewing what they should have reviewed the first time, whether Flynn has any remedy other than a writ. (He does.)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1154 on: July 30, 2020, 10:15:05 PM »
Fox News host speculates Trump ‘won’t leave the White House’ if he loses: ‘Is he setting up something?’

David Edwards

Fox Business host Neil Cavuto speculated on Thursday that President Donald Trump might refuse to peacefully leave the White House if he loses in November.

After Trump tweeted a suggestion about “delaying” the election, Cavuto asked Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) if the president is “setting up something.”

“So you don’t think he’s setting up something if he were to lose,” Cavuto asked, “that he’s going to claim that it was rigged and he just won’t leave the White House — crazy glue his hands to the Oval Office doors?”

Blackburn answered by accusing Hillary Clinton of refusing to accept the results of the 2016 election.

“So, if the president were to lose,” Cavuto pressed, “let’s say, by a fairly comfortable margin — he might not like that — do you think he would say, ‘Alright, that’s it, I’m outta here?'”

“I think Donald Trump is going to win,” Blackburn insisted.

“I understand that,” Cavuto interrupted. “In your heart of hearts, do you think if he were — if he were to lose that he would try to come up with a reason not to leave?”

“He has always honored the will of the American people,” Blackburn replied.

“Because if they tried to push me out of here, Senator,” Cavuto noted, “I would just continue doing shows. Because I would not leave.”