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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1771 on: September 24, 2021, 02:05:46 AM »
I had noticed that someone's name had been typed over in the Bookhout report for 11-22-63 ....The name Bill Shelly had been typed over the original entry....  Was there a simple  mistake or was the name changed for some other reason.???

Looks like "SHELLY" is corrected for "SHELLEY"

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The really odd thing I noticed when I was looking for Hosty / Bookhout report is the closing sentence of that report.....( page 613 WR)  That final sentence reads...Quote...." Oswald frantically denied shooting Dallas police officer Tippit" or shooting President John F. Kennedy."...unquote

The weird thing is NO WHERE in the reports of the initial questioning of LHO is there any mention of Fritz asking Lee anything about the shooting of Tippit.....  So why would Lee "frantically deny shooting Dallas police officer Tippit"     Fritz hadn't questioned him the shooting of Tippit. I don't believe this denial actually happened...I believe that Bookhout made that bit up....

Mr Oswald was given to understand that he stood accused of two things:
1. INVOLVEMENT in the shooting of Pres. Kennedy (not the actual pulling of the trigger)
2. The SHOOTING of Officer Tippit

Mr Oswald made this clear in the midnight press conference-------------------which was suddenly shut down as soon as he was told he had been charged with the SHOOTING of Pres. Kennedy

He was played, but good------------------and that's why he never shouted his ironclad alibi to the pressmen

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1772 on: September 24, 2021, 02:38:23 AM »
Mr Oswald in that first interrogation session tells Captain Fritz that he "went outside to watch P. Parade". One can presume that he is asked exactly where he stood, and if anyone can vouch for him. One can further presume that he mentions Mr Shelley, Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier.

Mr Shelley... Mr Lovelady... Mr Frazier: These three men become a real danger to the 'investigation', because they are eyewitnesses to Mr Oswald's alibi.

Now--------------Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady each give an affidavit statement on their sightings of Mr Oswald that day. NEITHER states outright in these affidavits that they did not see Mr Oswald at the time of the P. Parade. Instead, that question is left as a weird gap, a weird silence. Pretty soon, however the bullet will be fully bitten and they will be pressurized into stating a positive lie: no, I didn't see Oswald at that time. The danger posed by Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady has been neutralized.

However! Mr Frazier has gone AWOL. It is a matter of extreme urgency that he be found, brought in and told to shut up about who was there on the steps with him. A threatened charge of conspiracy will do the trick, all on the flimsy pretext that he drove Mr Oswald to work that morning just as he had driven him to and from work on quite a few occasions before that.

If finding confederates to Mr Oswald's alleged deed had been a serious consideration, then the Paines (owners of the home from which the alleged rifle came) and Mrs Marina Oswald (Russian wife of the accused) would have been arrested and threatened with a conspiracy charge).

And Mr Warren Caster, who brought two rifles into the Depository two days before the shooting, would have been arrested and treated as a suspect.

No--------------Mr Frazier posed a danger to the Oswald-Did-It narrative and so needed to be neutralized .

Another figure of possibly great danger to the 'investigation' is Mr Joe Molina, whom Mr Oswald may also have mentioned (if he knew the man's name) as someone who was out there on the steps. And of course we know that Mr Molina will be subjected to intense pressure on a similar level to that exerted on Mr Frazier.

Mr Oswald had an alibi, stated his alibi, and the cover-up machine went into absolute overdrive.

Why, they even went to the lengths of placing an impossible shadow down Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman film!



And the version of the Altgens photograph shown to the American public by Mr Walter Cronkite the evening of 11/22/63 is NOT the version of the photograph researchers have scrutinized minutely over the decades!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1773 on: September 24, 2021, 02:54:10 AM »
I believe Mr Frazier knows full well where Mr Oswald was at the time of the shooting----------------------

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1774 on: September 24, 2021, 10:18:55 AM »
Question!

Why is Mr Bill Shelley's name handwritten at the top of an interrogation report that doesn't once mention his name?


Notice the "KP" at the top. That stands for "Key Persons." This copy of the report was from Shelley's KP folder. "Key Person" is the term the WC used for people they wanted to call to testify, or considered particularly significant.  A sort of dossier was created for each of these key people, and it was filled with reports, affidavits, depositions, memos, and similar documents that relate somehow to that person, at least as far as the WC staff was concerned. Some of these documents only relate tangentially or indirectly to the KP they are attached to. In Shelley's case, there is also a memo from Eisenberg to Rankin laying out the former's suspicion of Jack Daugherty as a possible suspect. IIRC it specifically mentions Roy Truly's name, but never mentions Shelley.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1775 on: September 24, 2021, 05:13:15 PM »
Looks like "SHELLY" is corrected for "SHELLEY"

Mr Oswald was given to understand that he stood accused of two things:
1. INVOLVEMENT in the shooting of Pres. Kennedy (not the actual pulling of the trigger)
2. The SHOOTING of Officer Tippit

Mr Oswald made this clear in the midnight press conference-------------------which was suddenly shut down as soon as he was told he had been charged with the SHOOTING of Pres. Kennedy

He was played, but good------------------and that's why he never shouted his ironclad alibi to the pressmen

Mr Oswald was given to understand that he stood accused of two things:
1. INVOLVEMENT in the shooting of Pres. Kennedy (not the actual pulling of the trigger)
2. The SHOOTING of Officer Tippit


Given to understand??     How??   There is no reference to the Tippit murder in any of the notes taken by Fritz, Hosty, or Bookhout....

Fritz immediately focused on Lee's actions at the TSBD, and he asked Lee where he was when the parade passed by the TSBD.... But there's not even a hint that he asked Lee about his whereabouts from 1:00 to 1:15 pm.....

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1776 on: September 24, 2021, 06:13:55 PM »
Fritz immediately focused on Lee's actions at the TSBD

As I recall Leavelle was kind of assigned (or assigned himself) to the Tippit shooting.

I don't think the FBI had any interest in the Tippit shooting as such, it only complicated things for them.

You may be correct Otto..... But my point is:   There is no record that Fritz asked lee anything that could pertain to Lee's whereabouts at the time that Tippit was murdered....

WHY??    If Lee was allegedly arrested for the murder of JD Tippit ...Then WHY ...I ask WHY....didn't Fritz ask Lee a single question about   that event?? WHY didn't Fritz ask Lee Oswald: Where were you between 1:00 and 1:15 pm today Lee? 

I believe the reason that Fritz never asked that question is because he knew very well that Lee was traveling on a bus to the Texas theater at that time......  And obviously that would have given Lee an air tight alibi for the charge that he had been at 10th and Patton and had shot officer Tippit.   

Fritz did not want that information on the record and there were two FBI agents listening and taking notes of the Q&A.....

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1777 on: September 24, 2021, 08:48:56 PM »
.... Good Day Dan.... Perhaps someone was mis-identifying that the "Thornton" road sign on an 11-22-63 map was the "Stemmons" road sign. The closest edge of the "Thornton" sign, to the westernmost side of the TSBD front door entrance steps, was a bit over 126 feet, = 42 yards. (Elm Street was nearly exactly 40' wide)

Best Regards in Research, Don

Hi Don,

This was from quite a while ago.
As I remember I had a couple of schematic drawings of Dealey Plaza that agreed with each other in the scale they were using but disagreed with your map.
If I remember correctly it turned out these schematic drawings were wrong and your map was right.

Is there a latest update for your map and, out of interest, do you agree with the identification of the four ladies standing together wearing head scarves as Calvery, Hicks, Reed and Westbrook?

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When all of these new map components references have been solidly confirmed + quadruple-checked for 111% accuracy, I will certainly provide it publicly for us all.  Thumb1:

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