Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1708 on: September 17, 2021, 08:18:57 PM »
A couple of weeks after the assassination,  Roy Truly was interviewed by a reporter from the magazine US News and the reporter quoted Truly as saying that Lee Oswald was sitting at a table in the second floor lunchroom, drinking a coke, when DPD officer Baker confronted him.

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Where did you come across this interview?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1709 on: September 17, 2021, 08:23:52 PM »
the idea that he just decided to run down to the lunchroom and calmly get a nice refreshing soda after supposedly shooting at the president and hiding a rifle is just plain silly.

This is one for " Ripley's Believe it or Not"

Believe it or not Jerry....When Curry first learned of Baker's encounter with Lee Oswald in the lunchroom.....he told reporters that Oswald was such a fiend that when Baker confronted him he was calmly drinking a Coca Cola just seconds after he had murdered the president.   That's the spin that Curry put on the lunchroom encounter.....and that caused a huge problem because Curry had acknowledged that Lee was DRINKING A COKE at the time that Baker burst into the lunchroom. When the WC "investigators" re-enacted  Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald's flight from the "Sniper's Nest" to the second floor lunchroom they discoveed that there simply wasn't enough time for Lee to have got the coke from the vending machine prior to Baker's arrival.
So Curry's  statement had to be expunged.....     

As you've pointed out the idea that Lee was calmly drinking a coke to celebrate his deed is completely insane ...but the fact that it happened, highlights the lengths they would go to to frame Lee Oswald.

On 11/22 Chief Curry told reporters Mr Oswald had been confronted by a cop at the front entrance of the building just after the shooting

On 11/23 Chief Curry told reporters Mr Oswald had been seen, along with several other employees, by a cop who looked into the second-floor lunchroom

Officer Baker did indeed see Mr Oswald, in the midst of several other employees, with a coke in his hand just after the shoooting---------------and this happened by the front door

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1710 on: September 17, 2021, 08:25:40 PM »
This is not rocket science.  Oswald was attempting to avoid detection by exiting the stairs, entering the lunchroom, and appearing to be drinking a soda.

So he sat down at one of the tables, as per SS reenactment film and Mr Truly's initial story?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1711 on: September 17, 2021, 08:34:33 PM »
First he switched the lights off!

The fiend!!  :D

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1712 on: September 17, 2021, 09:13:19 PM »
It very much does matter if Officer Baker's 11/22 affidavit gives us an 'employee' who was "walking away from the stairway"
Alan Ford gave us this observation-----
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If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2253.msg64940.html#msg64940

That is based on Baker's affidavit...  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm
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Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street ..... I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
Baker was perhaps in error on his stair climbing count but who knows?
There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1713 on: September 17, 2021, 10:02:34 PM »
Alan Ford gave us this observation-----https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2253.msg64940.html#msg64940

That is based on Baker's affidavit...  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htmBaker was perhaps in error on his stair climbing count but who knows?
There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.



There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.


This affidavit is nothing but a cheap lawyer's trick......They knew that it had been firmly established that Baker had encountered Lee In the lunchroom DRINKING A COKE, and in the first days following the murder of John Kennedy they used the "Drinking a coke " issue as a way of showing what a monster and inhuman fiend Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Booooo Hissss) was.

So since that was firmly planted in the public's mind they couldn't simply erase the event and say that it never happened.....They need to expunge it in an official affidavit.    Thus they had an FBI agent write the affidavit to look like Baker had written it,    The crossing out of the words "drinking a coke" was left legible so it looked like Baker had revised the affidavit.    There was no reason for the crossing out of words...They could easily have scrapped that piece of paper and re-written the affidavit, but that would not have have officially expunged the Drinking a coke issue.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1714 on: September 17, 2021, 10:34:19 PM »

There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.


This affidavit is nothing but a cheap lawyer's trick......They knew that it had been firmly established that Baker had encountered Lee In the lunchroom DRINKING A COKE, and in the first days following the murder of John Kennedy they used the "Drinking a coke " issue as a way of showing what a monster and inhuman fiend Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Booooo Hissss) was.

So since that was firmly planted in the public's mind they couldn't simply erase the event and say that it never happened.....They need to expunge it in an official affidavit.    Thus they had an FBI agent write the affidavit to look like Baker had written it,    The crossing out of the words "drinking a coke" was left legible so it looked like Baker had revised the affidavit.    There was no reason for the crossing out of words...They could easily have scrapped that piece of paper and re-written the affidavit, but that would not have have officially expunged the Drinking a coke issue.

The claim that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom with a coke somehow means he did not assassinate JFK because he would not have paused to have a beverage is absurd because no one, including the WC, suggested that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom was planned.  He headed there to avoid detection on the stairs.  He did it out of necessity.  Not because he was thirsty.  If he had a soda, it was merely to give him an excuse for being there.  And there is no more sign of the soda when he exits the lunchroom moments later to encounter Mrs. Reid.  If he had one, it was just a prop.  And he tossed it after Baker left in his flight from the building.
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