Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Bill Chapman]

As I say Rick, for certain parties it is important that this encounter between Oswald, Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom didn't happen. It really spoils their models for what happened that day.
So they propose the whole thing is a hoax and there seems to be plenty of contradictory testimony to support this assertion.
But the "Hoax Theory" is put forward as a reality that explains certain things and, to my mind at least, you don't just get to propose something as a reality then not explain the "mechanics" of this reality.
You don't just conjure up something out of thin air as a reality then not justify the basis of that reality.
So, if the Hoax is real:

Who created it?
What are it's origins?
Who is directing it?
Who is involved?

These are simple, reasonable questions that must be answered by anyone proposing the "2FLRE Hoax Theory" as a reality.
Anyone who looks into this will quickly discover how ridiculous the notion of the Hoax is. As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place.

'As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place'
>>> Exacfly what I found a few years ago. I came here looking for a conspiracy, but these pet theories just seem to lose momentum, eventually stopping dead in their tracks: A case of being all dressed up and no place to go.

[Alan Ford]

It's great to have your expertise back on board Mr Ford.
As these questions are soooooo 2010 just clear them up quickly and we can move on:
Who created the 2FLRE Hoax?
Who is directing the Hoax?
Who is involved?

These are obviously simple questions for someone of your experience. I would be really surprised if you couldn't answer them or you were evasive.

 

Easy peasy, Mr O'Meara!

Who created the 2FLRE Hoax? Looks like SA Nat Pinkston played a key role.
Who directed the 2FLRE Hoax? See above!
Who is involved? Officer Baker, Mr Truly and Mrs Reid: pressurized into playing along. Key 'investigators' (i.e. cover-up merchants) in FBI, DPD and SS agreed on 2FLRE as least worst damage-limitation strategy-------limiting the damage caused, of course, by the fact that a) Mr Oswald had had his encounter with Officer Baker/Mr Truly at the front entrance; b) Officer Baker/Mr Truly had subsequently encountered a different man walking away from the rear stairway 'on the third or fourth floor'.

Now! Do let us know when you are in a position to

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch P. Parade".

So far you haven't done any better on any of these than the original Mr Doyle did!

 

[Zeon Mason]

There is no other place for The Fat Lady to be in that 4.5 ft width of landing other than in the west corner where prayerblob is

[Zeon Mason]

The reasons:

1. Pauline Sanders locates Stanton (at least for some segment of time,) as located beside herself on the east side of the landing. However , there does not appear to be a fat lady next to Sanders in the Couch and Wiegman film frames

It is doubtful that the fat lady would have remained blocking the front door, and therefore opted to move to another position from which she would be less an obstacle plus also have a better LOS to at least the corner of Houston and Elm St.

2. Pauline Sanders FBI statement includes reference to seeing Baker, while Sarah has no such statement. If Sarah was still standing beside Pauline (hence in front of  the door) its questionable how Stanton could have missed Baker running virtually right into her. Would not Stanton have included this observation in her FBI statement just as Pauline did, if such sighting of Baker did occur?

3. Prayerblob height is approx 5’3” per John Mytton’s analysis in another lengthy thread. Sarah Stanton is allegedly not taller than 5’4”.

4. Sarah Stanton has not been absolutely identified as on of the other women visible in the Weigman and Couch Film or Altgens no. 6 photo

5. Mr Fords proposition that white shirt person shading their eyes (to the right of Billy ) is Sarah Stanton?  Is doubtful per reasons such as  A. skinny forearms and  B. location having LOS to JFK after passing by TSBD entrance, in contrast to Sarah Stanton  statement inferring her LOS was blocked after the limo passed.

[Alan Ford]

The reasons:

1. Pauline Sanders locates Stanton (at least for some segment of time,) as located beside herself on the east side of the landing. However , there does not appear to be a fat lady next to Sanders in the Couch and Wiegman film frames

It is doubtful that the fat lady would have remained blocking the front door, and therefore opted to move to another position from which she would be less an obstacle plus also have a better LOS to at least the corner of Houston and Elm St.

2. Pauline Sanders FBI statement includes reference to seeing Baker, while Sarah has no such statement. If Sarah was still standing beside Pauline (hence in front of  the door) its questionable how Stanton could have missed Baker running virtually right into her. Would not Stanton have included this observation in her FBI statement just as Pauline did, if such sighting of Baker did occur?

3. Prayerblob height is approx 5’3” per John Mytton’s analysis in another lengthy thread. Sarah Stanton is allegedly not taller than 5’4”.

4. Sarah Stanton has not been absolutely identified as on of the other women visible in the Weigman and Couch Film or Altgens no. 6 photo

5. Mr Fords proposition that white shirt person shading their eyes (to the right of Billy ) is Sarah Stanton?  Is doubtful per reasons such as  A. skinny forearms and  B. location having LOS to JFK after passing by TSBD entrance, in contrast to Sarah Stanton  statement inferring her LOS was blocked after the limo passed.

LOL. Not one of the above arguments holds water, Mr Mason. But the fact that Ms Stanton is still the contorted best that Team Keep LHO Off Them Front Steps can come up with by way of alternative candidate for Prayer Man tells us just how much trouble Team Keep LHO Off Them Front Steps is in.

[Dan O'meara]

Easy peasy, Mr O'Meara!

Who created the 2FLRE Hoax? Looks like SA Nat Pinkston played a key role.
Who directed the 2FLRE Hoax? See above!
Who is involved? Officer Baker, Mr Truly and Mrs Reid: pressurized into playing along. Key 'investigators' (i.e. cover-up merchants) in FBI, DPD and SS agreed on 2FLRE as least worst damage-limitation strategy-------limiting the damage caused, of course, by the fact that a) Mr Oswald had had his encounter with Officer Baker/Mr Truly at the front entrance; b) Officer Baker/Mr Truly had subsequently encountered a different man walking away from the rear stairway 'on the third or fourth floor'.

Now! Do let us know when you are in a position to

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch P. Parade".

So far you haven't done any better on any of these than the original Mr Doyle did!

 

What role did Pinkston play? What do you have to back this assertion up? (or is this more Ford Fantasia)
How do you explain Karen Westbrook Scranton's account of Mrs Reid telling the girls about seeing LHO with a coke in his hand while they were all "milling around" in the immediate aftermath of the assassination?
(29:20 in the interview below)

"a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man"

Stanton is a thousand times more credible than Oswald.
There is zero credibility to suggest it's Oswald (no matter how much you fraudulently fake the evidence to support your ridiculous claim)

"explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman"

I didn't realise this needed explaining.
Do you believe it's an attempt to hide someone? Do tell

"explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch P. Parade"."

Who is claiming he went for a coke AFTER going outside to watch the "parade"?
More importantly, isn't LHO getting a coke from the 2FLR part of the elaborate Hoax? Isn't this a detail made up by the Hoaxers?

[Alan Ford]

More importantly, isn't LHO getting a coke from the 2FLR part of the elaborate Hoax? Isn't this a detail made up by the Hoaxers?

I'll type this real slow, Mr O'Meara, so you have a chance of keeping up:

The 2FLRE hoax was developed---by the 'investigating' authorities, after the assassination---on the basis of a real visit by Mr Oswald, before the assassination, to the second floor lunchroom for a coke.

The reason you're still obsessing over 2010 talking points is that you still can't find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man, you still can't explain the shadow down Mr Lovelady's side in Wiegman, and you're still in denial about Mr Oswald's claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade". You're as tragically lost as the original Mr Doyle was!