Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Steve M. Galbraith]

As I say Rick, for certain parties it is important that this encounter between Oswald, Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom didn't happen. It really spoils their models for what happened that day.
So they propose the whole thing is a hoax and there seems to be plenty of contradictory testimony to support this assertion.
But the "Hoax Theory" is put forward as a reality that explains certain things and, to my mind at least, you don't just get to propose something as a reality then not explain the "mechanics" of this reality.
You don't just conjure up something out of thin air as a reality then not justify the basis of that reality.
So, if the Hoax is real:

Who created it?
What are it's origins?
Who is directing it?
Who is involved?

These are simple, reasonable questions that must be answered by anyone proposing the "2FLRE Hoax Theory" as a reality.
Anyone who looks into this will quickly discover how ridiculous the notion of the Hoax is. As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place.

Good post. And your questions about how this second floor "hoax" was undertaken - who directed it, who wrote the script, how did they get the "actors" to follow is - can be applied to a myriad of claims by conspiracists about how the evidence was manufactured or planted or falsified.

The general conspiracy claim (yes, there are many) is that a wide range of people including both powerful figures who directed/ordered it and ordinary people who carried it out at some point and in some way and in some place got together and carried out the assassination of the president of the United States. Again, the president; this was not robbing a 7/11. When we ask for evidence for this we really get nothing. It's all conjecture, speculation and theories. It's been more than half a century and all of these people who were involved remained silent? It's absurd.

You cannot carry out the intricate conspiracy that the general conspiracists claim happened. Not carry it out. Not keep it quiet. Not plan it in secrecy. It simply cannot be done. But I'm drinking the government Kool-aid and "Look at all of these odd things!!" and JFK was hated and he was going to end the Cold War and pull out of Vietnam and they had to stop him and et cetera et cetera

[Bill Chapman]

As I say Rick, for certain parties it is important that this encounter between Oswald, Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom didn't happen. It really spoils their models for what happened that day.
So they propose the whole thing is a hoax and there seems to be plenty of contradictory testimony to support this assertion.
But the "Hoax Theory" is put forward as a reality that explains certain things and, to my mind at least, you don't just get to propose something as a reality then not explain the "mechanics" of this reality.
You don't just conjure up something out of thin air as a reality then not justify the basis of that reality.
So, if the Hoax is real:

Who created it?
What are it's origins?
Who is directing it?
Who is involved?

These are simple, reasonable questions that must be answered by anyone proposing the "2FLRE Hoax Theory" as a reality.
Anyone who looks into this will quickly discover how ridiculous the notion of the Hoax is. As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place.

Who created it?
>>> 'They'

What are it's origins?
>>> People are saying

Who is directing it?
>>> 'They'

Who is involved?
>>> Anybody but Oswald

[Dan O'meara]

Good post. And your questions about how this second floor "hoax" was undertaken - who directed it, who wrote the script, how did they get the "actors" to follow is - can be applied to a myriad of claims by conspiracists about how the evidence was manufactured or planted or falsified.

The general conspiracy claim (yes, there are many) is that a wide range of people including both powerful figures who directed/ordered it and ordinary people who carried it out at some point and in some way and in some place got together and carried out the assassination of the president of the United States. Again, the president; this was not robbing a 7/11. When we ask for evidence for this we really get nothing. It's all conjecture, speculation and theories. It's been more than half a century and all of these people who were involved remained silent? It's absurd.

You cannot carry out the intricate conspiracy that the general conspiracists claim happened. Not carry it out. Not keep it quiet. Not plan it in secrecy. It simply cannot be done. But I'm drinking the government Kool-aid and "Look at all of these odd things!!" and JFK was hated and he was going to end the Cold War and pull out of Vietnam and they had to stop him and et cetera et cetera

Hi Steve,
you've extrapolated quite a bit from a specific incident to the assassination as a whole. As I point out, it is the case that anyone supporting the 2FLRE Hoax theory should answer certain questions relating to it's reality but the same is true for your position.

In reply #640 I responded to a post of Bill's with this (he failed to respond):

"If it was as simple as that Bill then everyone's story would be very straight-forward. No need for the deception, falsehoods and confusion that permeate the testimonies of many who worked at the TSBD. Everyone would have a pretty good idea of where they were and what they were doing, sure some insignificant details would get mixed up, that's human nature, but the wholesale fabrications that take place are ridiculous.
We can agree to disagree on that. You may be able to rationalise it but it's not something I can ignore."

Why is there clearly so much deception and falsehood in the WC testimonies of certain TSBD employees. If it was as straight-forward as you propose none of this confusion would ever have arisen.

[Alan Ford]

Jeesh, these last few pages of 'debate' are soooooooooooo 2010!

Team Keep LHO Off Them Steps still can't

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch the P. Parade".

[Frederick Clements]

Oswald said that he went outside to watch the parade. There is a figure on the front steps who looks like him. So who else could it be?

Fred

[Dan O'meara]

Jeesh, these last few pages of 'debate' are soooooooooooo 2010!

Team Keep LHO Off Them Steps still can't

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch the P. Parade".

It's great to have your expertise back on board Mr Ford.
As these questions are soooooo 2010 just clear them up quickly and we can move on:
Who created the 2FLRE Hoax?
Who is directing the Hoax?
Who is involved?

These are obviously simple questions for someone of your experience. I would be really surprised if you couldn't answer them or you were evasive.

 

[Zeon Mason]

With regard to person in white shirt with arms raised shading their eyes , IMO that person is not likely Sarah Stanton for the following reasons.

1. The forearms appear too skinny , unlike the fatty arms of Sarah
2. The position of “shading eyes” person is not near enough to Pauline Sanders to be considered “beside me” per Sanders statement
3. There is more probable LOS from shading eyes person to the JFK limo after it passed, in contrast to where prayerblob iis located ( blocked by actual side of bldg,
4. The position in the center of the front steps is more probable to have seen Baker running to and up the steps, in contrast to prayerblob position in west corner where LOS to the east half of front steps ( the side Baker went up, thus being seen by Pauline Sanders) , more probable to be blocked by  BWF , Joe Molina and Shelly occupying the 4 ft wide landing space just in front of the right side entrance door.