Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #532 on: October 11, 2020, 04:38:18 PM »
Something I found interesting in the Karen Westbrook Scranton interview:
"Our offices were around the building and then there was a centre office building, a large bull-pen kind of office, on the second floor that was the office of the Texas Schoolbook Depository and they had a supervisor in there called Mrs Reid, And when we were milling around while the police had us locked in and so forth, we were milling around, Mrs Reid said that she - when everybody was walking and milling and so forth - that Lee came to the door with a Coke in his hand and said, "What's all the excitement about?", and Mrs Reid said she told him, "Oh my God, someone has shot the President."    29:21 - 29:57

In her CE 1381 Westbrook states she left her office about 1:30pm. So at some point in the hour between JFK being shot and Westbrook leaving the TSBD she heard Mrs Jeraldean Reid talking about her encounter with Oswald.
In her WC testimony Mrs Reid describes how she ran back into the building straight after the shooting and her interaction with Oswald. A reconstruction of her movements timed it as approximately two minutes between the end of the shooting and running into Oswald.

Considering prayer-blob is seen in Darnell approximately 30 seconds after the shooting I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could get from that position, race up to the second floor lunchroom, buy a Coke then bump into Mrs Reid seconds later.

More evidence that prayer-blob is not Oswald  8)

There are two important aspects to Karen Westbrook Scranton's revelation concerning Mrs Reid in her "Living History" interview. Firstly, it corroborates Reid's version of meeting Oswald with a coke in his hand in the second floor office. Secondly, it is a first-hand eyewitness  account that this story was first told before Oswald was even arrested, let alone before Oswald confirmed the coke story in his interrogations. It can hardly be assumed that this story was being 'planted' before Oswald was arrested. It seems highly probable that Reid was being truthful in her account of this interaction with Oswald.
With this in mind let's take a closer look at Reid's version of events. In her WC testimony Reid states that she had her lunch in the second floor lunchroom, she was one of the last to leave, she went out front and stood on the steps for a few minutes then, when she saw the motorcade turning on to Houston, moved closer to the street, where O. C. Campbell and Roy Truly were standing. Within moments of the shots she ran up to her office where she had her encounter with Oswald. In a reconstruction of her movements she retraced and timed her steps three times, the upshot of which was a timing of approximately two minutes between the shots ending and meeting Oswald on the second floor. It can safely be assumed that, as Oswald was entering her office at the far end with a full bottle of Coke in his hand he had just come from the second floor lunchroom.
Pauline Sanders, in an FBI interview taken on the 11/24/63, states that on that very morning:

"she called Geraldine Reid...who told her that the police officer who first entered the building ran into the lunch room where Mr Truly...and Oswald were evidently lunching. The police officer put his gun into Oswald's stomach but Truly advised the police officer that Oswald worked for him. Police officer turned away and evidently left the area. She said according to Reid, Oswald went to the main office and Reid, although she had not observed the initial incident with the police officer, told Oswald that the President had been shot. According to Sanders, Mrs Reid claimed that Oswald just mumbled something and then left the office."

It must be remembered, these are not Reid's words, it is a third-hand account via Pauline Sanders and agents Basham and Anderson. It is clearly a version of the second floor encounter but it is stressed Reid "had not observed the initial incident with the police officer". I doubt Reid's version had Truly lunching with Oswald as she was stood outside with Truly at the time of the shooting. I also doubt that the officer would've come across the two men having lunch and decided to stick his gun in Oswald's stomach whilst accepting Truly's authority.

So it would appear we have a corroborated first-hand eye-witness account of Oswald being on the second floor seconds after the shooting which itself confirms, to a certain extent, the second floor lunchroom encounter with Oswald and Baker.
                                                     



Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #533 on: October 13, 2020, 03:07:27 AM »
There are two important aspects to Karen Westbrook Scranton's revelation concerning Mrs Reid in her "Living History" interview. Firstly, it corroborates Reid's version of meeting Oswald with a coke in his hand in the second floor office. Secondly, it is a first-hand eyewitness  account that this story was first told before Oswald was even arrested, let alone before Oswald confirmed the coke story in his interrogations. It can hardly be assumed that this story was being 'planted' before Oswald was arrested. It seems highly probable that Reid was being truthful in her account of this interaction with Oswald.
With this in mind let's take a closer look at Reid's version of events. In her WC testimony Reid states that she had her lunch in the second floor lunchroom, she was one of the last to leave, she went out front and stood on the steps for a few minutes then, when she saw the motorcade turning on to Houston, moved closer to the street, where O. C. Campbell and Roy Truly were standing. Within moments of the shots she ran up to her office where she had her encounter with Oswald. In a reconstruction of her movements she retraced and timed her steps three times, the upshot of which was a timing of approximately two minutes between the shots ending and meeting Oswald on the second floor. It can safely be assumed that, as Oswald was entering her office at the far end with a full bottle of Coke in his hand he had just come from the second floor lunchroom.
Pauline Sanders, in an FBI interview taken on the 11/24/63, states that on that very morning:

"she called Geraldine Reid...who told her that the police officer who first entered the building ran into the lunch room where Mr Truly...and Oswald were evidently lunching. The police officer put his gun into Oswald's stomach but Truly advised the police officer that Oswald worked for him. Police officer turned away and evidently left the area. She said according to Reid, Oswald went to the main office and Reid, although she had not observed the initial incident with the police officer, told Oswald that the President had been shot. According to Sanders, Mrs Reid claimed that Oswald just mumbled something and then left the office."

It must be remembered, these are not Reid's words, it is a third-hand account via Pauline Sanders and agents Basham and Anderson. It is clearly a version of the second floor encounter but it is stressed Reid "had not observed the initial incident with the police officer". I doubt Reid's version had Truly lunching with Oswald as she was stood outside with Truly at the time of the shooting. I also doubt that the officer would've come across the two men having lunch and decided to stick his gun in Oswald's stomach whilst accepting Truly's authority.

So it would appear we have a corroborated first-hand eye-witness account of Oswald being on the second floor seconds after the shooting which itself confirms, to a certain extent, the second floor lunchroom encounter with Oswald and Baker.
                                                     

Except that Baker, in his first day statement, says third or fourth floor on the stairway - which seems more damning of Oswald, i.e. closer to sixth floor. Why the change to second floor lunchroom?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #534 on: October 13, 2020, 08:58:49 AM »
Except that Baker, in his first day statement, says third or fourth floor on the stairway - which seems more damning of Oswald, i.e. closer to sixth floor. Why the change to second floor lunchroom?

What's this got to do with the corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald by Karen Westbrook Scranton. Reid was telling people about her encounter with Oswald minutes after the shooting and before Oswald was arrested. Reid witnessed Oswald on the second floor with a coke in his hand seconds after the shooting. It's got nothing to do with Baker. All it does is suggest Baker made a mistake about which floor.
It also implies that Oswald was coming from the second floor lunchroom at a time that fits perfectly with the Baker/Truly reconstruction of their encounter with Oswald.
The important thing, though, is that Westbrook Scranton provides corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #535 on: October 14, 2020, 05:31:28 AM »
What's this got to do with the corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald by Karen Westbrook Scranton. Reid was telling people about her encounter with Oswald minutes after the shooting and before Oswald was arrested. Reid witnessed Oswald on the second floor with a coke in his hand seconds after the shooting. It's got nothing to do with Baker. All it does is suggest Baker made a mistake about which floor.
It also implies that Oswald was coming from the second floor lunchroom at a time that fits perfectly with the Baker/Truly reconstruction of their encounter with Oswald.
The important thing, though, is that Westbrook Scranton provides corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald.
Why is it that Baker was " mistaken" as to which floor he encountered Oswald on, but Reid is not " mistaken" in her account? ( Scranton's testimony is hearsay, by the way.)

And, again, moving the Oswald encounter down a few floors seems counterintuitive to the official story, i.e. the third or fourth floor is closer to the sniper's nest, therefore much more damning. The second floor lunchroom encounter is an odd fabrication - wish I could figure out its purpose.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #536 on: October 14, 2020, 12:04:12 PM »
Why is it that Baker was " mistaken" as to which floor he encountered Oswald on, but Reid is not " mistaken" in her account? ( Scranton's testimony is hearsay, by the way.)

And, again, moving the Oswald encounter down a few floors seems counterintuitive to the official story, i.e. the third or fourth floor is closer to the sniper's nest, therefore much more damning. The second floor lunchroom encounter is an odd fabrication - wish I could figure out its purpose.
Baker could've been mistaken because he'd never been in the building, was full of adrenaline, gun drawn, anticipating meeting an armed assailant, racing up and down a building he had to recall later.
Reid worked in the building. Why should she have been mistaken?
Isn't that obvious?
Scranton confirms Reid is telling her version of the Oswald encounter immediately after the shooting, before Oswald is even arrested.
Oswald confirms this story in his interrogation (apparently).
This confirms Baker's story even though he's mistaken about the floor.
All of which is confirmed by Truly.
Scranton, Reid, Oswald, Baker, Truly.
Also, the timing of Reid's account fits perfectly with that of Baker and Truly.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #537 on: October 14, 2020, 10:30:41 PM »
She is clearly referring to herself and her work colleagues. It is unreasonable to assume otherwise.

It's unreasonable to assume that these 4 people all marched (or ran) together in lockstep after the assassination.

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"...there was a quiet calm while the shots were fired and then, when everybody realised the shots were fired, the car sped on, then it erupted in pandemonium and everybody started running every place, so we came back to the building..."

We're definitely going to have to disagree on that.

And yet somehow you know that they were all back at the building "in less than 30 seconds".

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #538 on: October 14, 2020, 10:36:53 PM »
Considering prayer-blob is seen in Darnell approximately 30 seconds after the shooting I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could get from that position, race up to the second floor lunchroom, buy a Coke then bump into Mrs Reid seconds later.

More evidence that prayer-blob is not Oswald  8)

You finding something "hard to believe" does not constitute "evidence".