Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[John Iacoletti]

Alan said:
 "The Hughes film shows Mr Lovelady having stood up for the limousine's arrival. He is right over by the west column of the entranceway. This places Mr Shelley unequivocally (or rather: unequivovally) on the west side of the entranceway."

You don't have a problem with this (of course) and what I said was a response to this.
What are you talking about anyway? Who is saying 'what direction'? What does this mean?
Lovelady is saying he is stood over by the west wall and that Stanton is in close proximity to him. What has 'direction' got to do with it?

Because you (and Doyle) keep trying to use this to "show" that Stanton must therefore have been "over by the west column of the entranceway".

[Dan O'meara]

Because you (and Doyle) keep trying to use this to "show" that Stanton must therefore have been "over by the west column of the entranceway".

So when Alan states:"The Hughes film shows Mr Lovelady having stood up for the limousine's arrival. He is right over by the west column of the entranceway. This places Mr Shelley unequivocally (or rather: unequivovally) on the west side of the entranceway.", you don't have a problem with this at all. But when I point out that Lovelady places both Shelley and Stanton with him you suddenly have a problem.
This is no surprise. When Mr Ford made his utterly ludicrous identification of Sarah Stanton as Joe Molina you actually supported it. When the same Mr Ford uses a shaky Wiegman frame to fraudulently attempt to show Shelley was west of Lovelady at the time of the assassination, you have nothing to say.

Are you a Prayer Man advocate? If not, what is the problem you have with proposing Stanton as the person stood in the shadows?

[John Iacoletti]

So when Alan states:"The Hughes film shows Mr Lovelady having stood up for the limousine's arrival. He is right over by the west column of the entranceway. This places Mr Shelley unequivocally (or rather: unequivovally) on the west side of the entranceway.", you don't have a problem with this at all. But when I point out that Lovelady places both Shelley and Stanton with him you suddenly have a problem.

My problem is that "with" and "next to" don't mean what you want them to mean.  Nobody disagrees that Lovelady said he was standing with Shelley and Stanton. 

This is no surprise. When Mr Ford made his utterly ludicrous identification of Sarah Stanton as Joe Molina you actually supported it.

I did?  When?  And why is this more utterly ludicrous than your "smoking fat lady"?  And how you identified both Shelley and Molina remains a mystery.  Kinda like how you identified Calvery.

Are you a Prayer Man advocate? If not, what is the problem you have with proposing Stanton as the person stood in the shadows?

Because there's no evidence that this is Stanton.  "Lovelady said Stanton was next to him" ain't it.

[Alan Ford]

When the same Mr Ford uses a shaky Wiegman frame to fraudulently attempt to show Shelley was west of Lovelady at the time of the assassination, you have nothing to say.

 

Ain't it funny how the old Doyle pattern of blatantly misrepresenting others' posts surfaces again in the posts of the new Doyle? It's almost like they're one and the same guy!

[Alan Ford]

Prayer Man in the Weaver photograph (taken as JFK is just turning on to Houston St)?



A few seconds later, and Mr Lovelady has risen to his feet to see the limousine--------------



 

[Zeon Mason]

There is photo of the bottle a front steps that indicates it’s a Dr.Pepper bottle, one with large white oval emblem on it typical of 1963 era Dr. Pepper bottles

[Michael T. Griffith]

In his book The Zapruder Film: Reframing JFK's Assassination (University Press of Kansas, 2003), Dr. David Wrone makes a convincing case that Oswald, not Bill Lovelady, is the man seen standing in the TSBD doorway in the Altgens photo. Until very recently, I made the mistake of accepting the HSCA PEP's identification of the man as Lovelady. I should have known better. In fact, again until very recently, I always viewed the attempts to identify the man as Oswald as amateurish and embarrassing to the multiple-gunmen position.

When I recently bought Wrone's book and saw that it had a chapter on the man in the doorway (chapter 11), I assumed that Wrone identified the man as Lovelady. As I read the chapter, I soon realized that he did not, but I also saw that he made a very strong case for the Oswald identification. When I got to the last page of the chapter, I thought to myself, "Holy cow! This is powerful stuff!"

Of course, since the Altgens photo shows Oswald standing in the TSBD doorway, he could not have been up on the sixth floor firing at Kennedy.