Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #371 on: August 18, 2020, 02:48:14 PM »
Friends, I had previously discounted the possibility that this could be Ms Stanton----------------



----------------because the forearms didn't look thick enough.

However! Looking again at the photograph we have of Ms Stanton, I noticed that the upper arms are very thick but the forearms not nearly so much------------



Something else worth bearing in mind:

Mr Lovelady, before ever seeing the Altgens photograph, only named one other person there on the steps:

"When the Pres. came by Bill Shelley and I was standing on the steps..." (Affidavit, 11/22/63).

However, we know that one thing he was to notice in the Altgens photograph was the second-floor lady shielding her eyes. This must have triggered his recollection and prompted him to mention Ms Stanton as well as Mr Shelley in subsequent statements about who had been there with him / next to him on the steps. Because that was exactly what the Altgens photograph was showing him.

Possibly Significant Sidenote! Mr Lovelady mistakenly thinks that the Altgens photograph is showing him way over by the west wall of the entranceway, when we know he is actually near the center railing!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #372 on: August 18, 2020, 04:19:31 PM »
As veterans of this Establishment will know, I sometimes find it useful to take an image we have all been staring at for years and defamiliarize it by giving it a horizontal flip. Striking details hitherto missed by our tired eyes can leap out!

Here's one such image-------------------



-------------------and here it is flipped-------------------



QUESTION!

Is Prayer Man slouching against the wall?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #373 on: August 19, 2020, 12:54:34 AM »
Mr Lovelady, before ever seeing the Altgens photograph, only named one other person there on the steps:

"When the Pres. came by Bill Shelley and I was standing on the steps..." (Affidavit, 11/22/63).

However, we know that one thing he was to notice in the Altgens photograph was the second-floor lady shielding her eyes. This must have triggered his recollection and prompted him to mention Ms Stanton as well as Mr Shelley in subsequent statements about who had been there with him / next to him on the steps. Because that was exactly what the Altgens photograph was showing him.

From Mr Lovelady's WC testimony:

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.


Again, Mr Lovelady is here working not so much off personal memory as off the Altgens photograph he has been quizzed about for months now.

Only for Mr Ball's (nervous?) interruption, he would finish his thought: and right behind me, Joe Molina. Because that's exactly what the Altgens photograph is showing him!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #374 on: August 19, 2020, 01:11:43 AM »
Now!

From Motorcycle Officer Marion L. Baker's WC testimony:

SENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?
Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.


QUESTION!

Who on earth were the two white men seen on the first floor by Officer Baker?


I'll kick off with a double speculation-----------

1. Mr Jack Dougherty
2. Mr Bill Shelley

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Offline Frederick Clements

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #375 on: August 19, 2020, 04:14:17 PM »

Lee claimed that he went outside to watch the parade. There is a guy who looks him on the front steps in two different films. Quite a coincidence.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #376 on: August 19, 2020, 07:53:33 PM »
Lovelady stood at the far right of the entranceway as stated previously. At this time he states he was stood near Stanton.
Cry Doyle all you want but a witness puts Stanton over by the far right wall of the entrance way.

False.  You're the one who's equating "next to" to mean "to the right".

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #377 on: August 19, 2020, 07:55:59 PM »
It's almost as though poor lost fanatical Mr Doyle himself is feeding you your Stanton material!

Keep in mind that this is the guy who finds Tommy Graves' squint fests to be "highly compelling".