Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #308 on: August 11, 2020, 05:22:53 PM »
Exactly, obviously he was not outside or even on the first floor during the parade. He was going down to the first floor, to check out the "commotion" downstairs. He either encountered Baker and Truly on the second floor as they state or the first floor as LHO stated. Either way according to his account he was descending from an even a higher floor and LHO makes the same reference to encountering Truly and Baker as do Truly and Baker. Just a different location but he was definitely in the building during the assassination.

Basically was LHO on the second floor or not when he encountered Baker and Truly.

Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting?
Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building when the commotion-- he kind of----

Mr. BELIN. Did Oswald say why he left the building?
Mr. HOLMES. No; other than just said he talked about this commotion and went out to see what it was about.

He was going down to the first floor, to check out the "commotion" downstairs.

Now you're getting it... and to go downstairs (meaning outside) he had to leave the building at the front door and go down the stairs.

He either encountered Baker and Truly on the second floor as they state or the first floor as LHO stated.

Oswald never stated that. According to Holmes he said he encountered Baker and Truly near the frontdoors on the second floor.

Either way according to his account he was descending from an even a higher floor

Well, ain't that a shame... You were doing so well, and now you've gone and spoil it. There is nothing in Oswald's (or rather Holmes') account that confirms he was descending from a higher floor.

LHO makes the same reference to encountering Truly and Baker as do Truly and Baker. Just a different location but he was definitely in the building during the assassination.

Wow, you've cracked the case.... You are right, Oswald was indeed guilty of being inside the building during the assassination. Thumb1:

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #309 on: August 11, 2020, 10:40:30 PM »
"Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting?
Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building..."


"Up in the building"
Yet another statement Oswald was inside the building at the time of the shooting according to Oswald.
Unless, of course, "up in the building" means up the front steps, placing him exactly where the PM crew fantasise about him being  8)

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #310 on: August 11, 2020, 11:12:20 PM »
"Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he was at the time of the shooting?
Mr. HOLMES. He just said he was still up in the building..."


"Up in the building"
Yet another statement Oswald was inside the building at the time of the shooting according to Oswald.

Funny how your response to a trained FBI agent's clearly worded draft official interrogation report 11/22/63 was: unless you can show me audio or footage of Mr Oswald actually saying this, I won't believe it... Whereas your response to Mr Holmes's clearly muddled WC testimony given months after the event is: we can safely bank this as a statement from Oswald.

Could you at least do a better job of pretending to be consistent, Mr O'Meara?

Also! Any progress on your alternative candidate for Prayer Man? Or are you coming around to the view that it's probably not a human being after all but a mere film artefact?

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #311 on: August 11, 2020, 11:22:50 PM »
Funny how your response to a trained FBI agent's clearly worded draft official interrogation report 11/22/63 was: unless you can show me audio or footage of Mr Oswald actually saying this, I won't believe it... Whereas your response to Mr Holmes's clearly muddled WC testimony given months after the event is: we can safely bank this as a statement from Oswald.

Could you at least do a better job of pretending to be consistent, Mr O'Meara?

Also! Any progress on your alternative candidate for Prayer Man? Or are you coming around to the view that it's probably not a human being after all but a mere film artefact?

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All I'm saying is that Holmes confirms what came out of Oswald's mouth on video. Not really sure how Hosty's notes beat this.
I've noticed you've dropped the word 'credible', perhaps an admission of the status of you're own choice.
I must say, the more I look at Prayer Man, the fatter she gets! Must be my old tired eyes  8)

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #312 on: August 12, 2020, 11:01:36 AM »
All I'm saying is that Holmes confirms what came out of Oswald's mouth on video. Not really sure how Hosty's notes beat this.

All you have on video, Mr O'Meara, is Mr Oswald confirming his location at the time of the assassination: Texas School Book Depository. He's happy to confirm that he was there and nowhere else.

Suppose the exchange with the reporter had gone as follows-------------

REPORTER: Where in the building were you at the time?
MR OSWALD: Front entrance steps.


Are you seriously suggesting Mr Oswald's response would have been incorrect or misleading, or that he should have gone into semantics with the reporter?

As for why the Hosty draft report beats a) your tendentious interpretation of Mr Oswald's actual response to the reporter + b) Mr Holmes' muddled recall months after the event, the answer is obvious:

The words "Then went outside to watch P. parade" are:
------------------matchlessly unambiguous (not "went outside to see what was happening/to see the commotion/excitement, etc")
------------------written on the back of a blank DPD affidavit form, i.e. while the memory of Mr Oswald's first interrogation is still fresh
------------------found on a page of an FBI agent's official draft report that contains plenty other information that no one is suggesting is erroneous

If you disagree with this last point, take a look at the page and tell us what else (other than the explosive "Then went outside to watch P. parade") you believe Agent Hosty hallucinated Mr Oswald as having said:



To suggest that Agent Hosty misheard or completely misunderstood what the suspect had to say about the single most critical question in the single most momentous case he or anyone else had ever been involved in is just fanciful in the extreme.

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I've noticed you've dropped the word 'credible', perhaps an admission of the status of you're own choice.

Not at all! Mr Oswald is the only credible candidate thus far put forward for Prayer Man. And you still can't come up with an alternative credible candidate!  Thumb1:

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I must say, the more I look at Prayer Man, the fatter she gets! Must be my old tired eyes 

Well, those same eyes were recently telling you Prayer Man was lighting a cigarette. How did that work out?

Admit it, Mr O'Meara, if it were possible to identify Prayer Man as Mr Billy Lovelady, you'd be enthusiastically backing that I.D. and telling us all how obvious it is that Prayer Man is a slim white male in worker's garb-----------



Unfortunately for you, and for all the other members of Team Keep LHO Away From Them Steps, Mr Lovelady is not available to make Prayer Man safe. And nor, it would appear from your responses to date, is anyone else!  Thumb1:
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Offline Frederick Clements

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #313 on: August 12, 2020, 04:24:34 PM »

 I do wish that NBC would release the original films. Then this issue could be solved.

Fred

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #314 on: August 12, 2020, 05:47:37 PM »
Fun fact, friends, which I came across here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20354-oswald-leaving-tsbd/page/87/

Back in 2013, when the Prayer Man issue first came to the fore, our very own Mr Steve Barber took one look at him and identified him as..... Mr Billy Lovelady:D