Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Martin Weidmann]

     Oh come on!  Is that all you got out of my post?!   Read it!   Not one person who knew the anti-social Oswald through the experience of being snubbed by him when they would greet him on different occasions --or even Frazier who knew him personally--said they saw him during or after the assassination standing in the entrance way of the  building .  Had they, this would have instantly been an alibi for Oswald.  This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

So if a witness does not see you (or does not say he saw you) it's proof you were not there....Is that what you are saying?

[Steve Barber]

This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

So if a witness does not see you (or does not say he saw you) it's proof you were not there....Is that what you are saying?

 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

[Bill Chapman]

 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

Contradictions don't exist at CT Central

[Martin Weidmann]

 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

That's not all what I said--nor am saying.

Ok, sure sounded like it though...

Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.

They can only make that claim because in the past 57 years it has never been resolved who the person is that was standing there. Everybody else on those stairs has been identified. The authorities must have known earlier on there was somebody there, yet they failed or perhaps didn't even try to put a name to that person.

So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?

No, I am not going to tell you anything of the kind. I not a big fan of looking at a blurry picture to make an "identification", but I  do feel the image is clear enough to see that there is a person there. Having said that, there are IMO a couple of points to consider; (1) Oswald told Fritz he bought a coke and then went outside to see what the commotion was. Mrs Reid saw him walking in the direction of the front door holding a bottle and an empty bottle was later found in the stairs. (2) With the motorcade passing by, and shots being fired, it doesn't seem likely to me that anybody on the stairs was looking in any other direction but the street. (3) As I understand it, the location of all TSBD employees, except Oswald's, are accounted for. (4) Nobody has ever come forward to say he/she was the person on the stairs. Why not?

With this in mind, it seems to me not beyond the realm of possibility that Oswald got to that position, while the shots were being fired and the video footage was being filmed, without anybody consciously seeing him or taking notice. If he went back into the building only seconds later, most, if not all, people wouldn't even have been aware he was there. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying or claiming that he actually was there, I am merely saying that in theory it is possible he was and nobody saw him because they all had their backs to him.

Now, as to what Frazier would do, I can not comment. I don't know the man well enough to make any kind of determination about what kind of person he is. People react differently under pressure. Don't forget Frazier was initially arrested and interrogated. Fritz even presented him with an already written confession he wanted Frazier to sign. Even if Frazier did register Oswald's presence on the stairs, do you really believe he would recall that instantly in such a stressful situation or that he would tell the officers, who already suspected him of being an accomplice. He may well have figured that Oswald would resolve the matter himself by telling the interrogators exactly where he was (which is what he seems to have done) and futher investigation would clear him anyway. Obviously, 36 hours later Oswald was dead and there wasn't much point in coming forward anymore.

You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?

People were in a state of shock and most of them, if not all, were afraid because they did not know what was going on. Brennan said he did not identify Oswald in the line up for exactly that reason. So, why do you accept this when Brennan is concerned, but not in Frazier's case? And, like I said earlier, if Oswald was there briefly, Frazier might not have seen him at all.

[Alan Ford]

     Oh come on!  Is that all you got out of my post?!   Read it!   Not one person who knew the anti-social Oswald through the experience of being snubbed by him when they would greet him on different occasions --or even Frazier who knew him personally--said they saw him during or after the assassination standing in the entrance way of the  building .  Had they, this would have instantly been an alibi for Oswald.  This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

 

Can you or can you not offer a single credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man, Mr Barber?

If you're scared of the question, keep on not answering it!   

[Alan Ford]

 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?

 

And yet you have no difficulty accepting that Mr Frazier (and Mr Molina), who were standing at that front door when Officer Marion Baker came tearing up the steps, had no memory of having seen the white-helmeted policeman. Seems consistency ain't your forte, Mr Barber!

[Steve Barber]

Can you or can you not offer a single credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man, Mr Barber?

If you're scared of the question, keep on not answering it!   

 Oh, pardon me!  Don't flatter yourself, Mr. Ford! None of you conspiracy buffs say anything that "scare" me!
 
Your question is both ridiculous and stupid.  You expect a person to name "a credible alternative" to "Prayer man", when none of us know what all of the men who worked at the depository looked like!  Furthermore, no one knows whether "Prayer man" is an employee of the TSBD or someone off the street!  So there's your answer!  Like it or not!