Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

I would caution against the assumption that the figure taken to be Mr. Lovelady in Bell is too wide to be one person.

Sure, when one looks at the women lower in the frame (i.e. the women out front in the line of spectators on the north side of Elm), he looks too big.

But check out 'Cowboy Man In White', or Mr. Danny Arce just beside him, or the bulky man in working khaki a little west of then. Then compare 'Lovelady'.

The aforementioned 'small' women are turned a little east to see the limousine, so we're not seeing their full width. This is not the case with 'Cowboy Man' & Co.

More to the point, look at Mrs. Madie Reese in white just in front of 'Lovelady'. Admittedly, she's a big lady, but in proximity to her 'Lovelady' doesn't look improbably big.

We have to bear in mind that Mr. Bell is filming from quite some distance away, so the difference in stature between folks standing out by the street on north side of Elm and folks in doorway may not be so pronounced as one might expect. And look at the folks by the concrete reflecting pool (south side of Elm)----------they're not greatly larger than folks across the street.

At the distance at which Bell is filming, the difference in size between north-side-of-Elm streetside spectators and doorway occupants is not nearly so big as in, say, Towner, which is filmed much closer.

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All that said, I still think we may be getting a bit of Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt in Bell.

And I continue to be troubled by the improbable squareness of the white 'Lovelady tshirt':



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I also must once again draw attention to the WHITE and BLUE in FRONT of Mr. Lovelady in these frames here--------------can anyone offer an explanation for these colors other than the one I have given?



Because the story we have been told is that this is Mr. Lovelady emerging from behind 'Carl Edward Jones'. How the heck does 'Carl Edward Jones' yield WHITE and BLUE?

I propose that the blue belongs to the black gentleman's upraised left arm (which we have already seen in Hughes), and the white to Mr. Oswald's tshirt.

Remember: this black gentleman shows up wearing BLUE in the Hughes film:



Now! If you're serious about finding THIS fellow in white on the left-----------



--------------then the tall man standing straight across from Mr. Blue, on the EAST side of the doorway, is a much better bet:



His presence there appears to have gone unnoticed before now. There may be a reason for that................

And let us note, finally, that by the time of Darnell he has vacated his spot on the lower east side of the doorway:

[Chris Davidson]

Thank you Duncan! Thank you Chris! The Mystery Camera Lady in Blue does appear to be stopping to take a picture and would bunch up with Rosemary Willis and the Lady in White. However, like you say Chris, they would be too low in Bell. Ironically Chris, the two people you point out as possibilities to be on the steps are not on the steps. Roy Edward Lewis is out on the grass near the Presidential limo, and Carolyn Arnold is standing out on Elm Street with her girlfriends! Thank you both for everything that you do! With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Michael

Eliminated. Thanks for that. I didn't see her in Bell, initially.

 

[Chris Davidson]

I would caution against the assumption that the figure taken to be Mr. Lovelady in Bell is too wide to be one person.
All that said, I still think we may be getting a bit of Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt in Bell.

Alan,
I have never been under the assumption that the red clothing in Bell belonged to one person.
Yes, agree. One of those two red clothed figures in Bell could be Oswald.

[Michael Welch]

Alan,
I have never been under the assumption that the red clothing in Bell belonged to one person.
Yes, agree. One of those two red clothed figures in Bell could be Oswald.

Hi Chris, If you look at the TSBD's entrance, it seems that it is wide enough on both sides of the middle railing to accommodate three people standing side by side; although I am sure there could be four thin ladies or something like that, but in general probably three. And I think that is what we generally see on the East side. The West side is pretty much empty! Why? I am guessing the TSBD's employees were told to keep the West side clear for safety reasons. However, we have Lee Oswald in the upper corner out of the way; Billy Lovelady joking around with Ruth Dean, who is just on the East side of the railing, and Maddie Reese just below him, and we have tall Carl Edward Jones dressed in his silver colored outfit over in the West corner, probably pretty much out of the way like Lee Oswald above near the top. When Billy appears on the right, Carl's left in Hughes and Bell, I am going to say Lee is not there only Billy. However at this particular time in the motorcade, I am going to add Jeraldean Reid, the tall Lady in Blue, to Billy's left. I am also going to say that for many years she has been misidentified. In my opinion, Miss Martha Reed has been called Jeraldean Reid for years. I believe Jeraldean Reid is the tall lady in blue in the Martin film.

Notice how the Hughes camera has the ability to distinguish blue from black.


This is how Jeraldean Reid has been identified by Linda Zambanini and others.

This is what Linda Zambanini has on Martha Reed.



This is what Linda has on Jeraldean Reid.




So I think you should just switch the identifications. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Alan Ford]

For the longest time, I've been working off an unstabilized version of the above gif. Now that Mr. Davidson has kindly stabilized it, so much helpful detail leaps out.

Look for instance at these two women [red arrows]:



Each is simply waving with her hand------------------



This supplies a second reason----------along with the location of the hands (too far east of the man [light-blue arrow])*-----------to definitively rule out either of these women as the source of the fluttering object in Towner. The latter is certainly no hand.



If you doubt this double reason to rule out either of these women as the source of the waving object in Towner, just take look at these synced Bell & Towner frames. Make sure to check out the very different spatial relations between
a) the lady in back's waving hand and the head of the man in khaki (Bell)
b) the waving object and the same khaki man's head (Towner)



This has large implications. For it leaves us with absolutely no alternative to the conclusion that the object we see being waved energetically in Towner is coming from the doorway.

There is literally nowhere else it could be coming from. (If you don't believe me, look at the full scene in Bell in the Quote section at the top of this post--------ain't no one there between street spectators and doorway.)

Once you have let this fact sink in, consider another. There is only one person in the right position in that doorway to be waving this object: the man in the reddish shirt whom we've just seen in Hughes



And, to cap it all off, the presence of a figure at sitting height can be made out when the waving object is at higher elevation. We should just be seeing empty steps  behind there, but no:



A man standing, waving the object: Mr. Oswald:


A man sitting, being blocked by the object being waved: Mr. Lovelady

[Dan O'meara]

For the longest time, I've been working off an unstabilized version of the above gif. Now that Mr. Davidson has kindly stabilized it, so much helpful detail leaps out.

Look for instance at these two women [red arrows]:



Each is simply waving with her hand------------------



This supplies a second reason----------along with the location of the hands (too far east of the man [light-blue arrow])*-----------to definitively rule out either of these women as the source of the fluttering object in Towner. The latter is certainly no hand.



If you doubt this double reason to rule out either of these women as the source of the waving object in Towner, just take look at these synced Bell & Towner frames. Make sure to check out the very different spatial relations between
a) the lady in back's waving hand and the head of the man in khaki (Bell)
b) the waving object and the same khaki man's head (Towner)



This has large implications. For it leaves us with absolutely no alternative to the conclusion that the object we see being waved energetically in Towner is coming from the doorway.

There is literally nowhere else it could be coming from. (If you don't believe me, look at the full scene in Bell in the Quote section at the top of this post--------ain't no one there between street spectators and doorway.)

Once you have let this fact sink in, consider another. There is only one person in the right position in that doorway to be waving this object: the man in the reddish shirt whom we've just seen in Hughes



And, to cap it all off, the presence of a figure at sitting height can be made out when the waving object is at higher elevation. We should just be seeing empty steps  behind there, but no:



A man standing, waving the object: Mr. Oswald:


A man sitting, being blocked by the object being waved: Mr. Lovelady

The woman on the left of the two you identify with the red arrows is waving what appears to be a flag.

[Alan Ford]

The woman on the left of the two you identify with the red arrows is waving what appears to be a flag.

No, just a hand flapping up and down quickly as it's being waved. (Compare the other woman's flapping hand, which is just a little slower.)

And even if it were the world's tiniest flag, it's too far east of the man in khaki's head to possibly be the object we see in Towner flapping behind him. Remember, these Bell-Towner frames are synced, so there's zero wiggle room for you here:



Note also in the above synced frames that the way the waving object in Towner moves is NOT in sync with the movement of the woman-in-Bell's hand. The waving object in Towner moves down and to its left; the lady's waving hand undergoes no such change. That's because they are two entirely different objects.

Ms. Towner is well to the EAST and NORTH of Mr. Bell. The angle at which she's filming these streetside spectators is thus v. different. Accordingly, the woman you refer to in Bell is in this area in Towner:



Look how far west of her the Towner flapping object is.

The woman is not even close to in the right position to be responsible for the waving object we see in Towner.