Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2268 on: March 13, 2023, 07:27:35 PM »
He leaves the curtain rods behind somewhere in the building, but hides the flag on his person and takes it with him, disposing of it somewhere along his route to the Texas Theatre. He is no fool, and is all too alive to the very real prospect that his disastrously ill-timed protest on the steps will put him on the hook as an accomplice in a pro-Castro assassination plot. When the cops arrive at the Texas Theatre, his worst nightmare materializes. But-----NB!------he does not believe he is being picked up as the shooter-------------------------he believes he is being picked up on account of his flag-waving stunt, which he assumes the cops are interpreting as evidence of his involvement in the assassination plot.

When Fritz grills him on the curtain rods, Mr. Oswald mistakenly thinks the reason for this grilling is the flag-waving stunt, and so he denies all. He has no idea he's actually being accused of having brought the murder rifle to work that morning, let alone of having himself used it to shoot Pres. Kennedy from the sixth floor!

When we think of Captain Fritz saying to Mr. Oswald, 'The fellow who drove you to work says you told him you had curtain rods in your package', we hear an opportunity for Mr. Oswald to exonerate himself of the charge of bringing a rifle to work. But when Mr. Oswald himself hears those words, he is hearing an accusation-------------'You brought curtain rods to work for a nefarious purpose connected to the assassination, didn't you?' And so he parries with a flat denial: 'No, Wesley is mistaken about that.'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2269 on: March 14, 2023, 11:34:43 AM »
Anyone minded to dismiss out of hand the importance of the sizeable object being waved ('So somebody's waving something, big deal...') ought to consider the fact that it goes BEHIND the black man standing by the white west column but IN FRONT OF the man standing directly behind that black man:



This localizes the object nicely.

Somebody must be waving this object, right? And that somebody must be behind the black man, right?

Well, there are only two possible candidates:
1. The white man (=Mr. Lee Oswald) standing right behind the black man
2. The owner of this leg:



But who can the owner of that leg be?
The only two remotely viable candidates are
------------the man in blue (= Mr. Bill Shelley) seen back on the landing in Hughes

OR
-------------the owner of the red clothing (=Mr. Billy Lovelady, yellow arrow below) seen leaning over, and momentarily blocking the man in blue, in Hughes:


But we can rule out the man in blue on the landing (Mr. Bill Shelley) as the man waving the object because
a) he is too far back on the landing: he simply doesn't have time, in the less than two seconds between the end of the above Hughes GIF and the start of the Towner GIF, to come forward on the landing and step down far enough to be the holder of the object
b) Ms. Towner's angle--------more acute than Mr. Hughes'----------rules him out.

So it comes down to two candidates: Mr. Billy Lovelady vs. Mr. Oswald.

But we can rule out Mr. Lovelady, as Bell is just instants away from showing him like this:



Does this look like a man waving something back and forth? And did Mr. Lovelady say anything about waving something at the P. Parade?

So-----------the person waving the sizeable object must be the man in the reddish shirt standing right behind the black man by the white west column, i.e. it must be Mr. Oswald.

Now again, ask yourself: If Mr. Oswald were to wave something at a P. Parade, what might he be likely to wave?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2270 on: March 14, 2023, 11:40:24 AM »
Now again, ask yourself: If Mr. Oswald were to wave something at a P. Parade, what might he be likely to wave?

At the very end of this clip, we see Mr. Oswald look down to his right. I believe he is placing his Coke down on the ledge, as he readies himself to make his provocative gesture with the flag:



He left it until the very last minute, when all eyes were on Houston St., to slip out front (didn't want to anyone to notice what he had in his non-bottle-holding hand).

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2271 on: March 14, 2023, 11:50:10 AM »
'OK, Lee, we're going to fire shots into the air as Kennedy is passing. You do your thing down on the steps, and make sure to get that photograph to show the Cubans.'

Waving a Cuban flag at a passing President is hardly going to be enough to convince the guys in Havana of one's credentials. But doing so in coordination with an intensely provocative action being carried out upstairs, and getting a photograph of your flag with JFK in the background, might just do the job nicely.

Mr. Oswald, it would seem, was tricked into playing a symbolic side role in an actual assassination. Hearing the shots ring out, he would not have been alarmed---------he knew they were coming. But the moment he heard that Pres. Kennedy had been hit, he realized he had been set up.

The above scenario works equally well whether Mr. Oswald is a genuine pro-Castro leftist or a faux-leftist trying to get into Cuba.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2272 on: March 14, 2023, 12:00:41 PM »
Side-Speculation:

When Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier was arrested at the hospital, his car had already been thoroughly searched. The cops also went over his home with a fine tooth comb.

What were the cops looking for precisely? I mean, they already had the murder weapon, right?

Well, put the case that they already knew (perhaps via Messrs. Lovelady & Shelley) about Mr. Oswald's little front steps caper with flag & camera. And that they had searched Mr. Oswald's Beckley room and found a camera with no roll of film in it. Where did it go, they wonder? Did he give it-------the item that contains his alibi for the shooting-------to someone for safekeeping? But who might that someone have been?

Mr. Oswald had but one friend in the Depository: Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2273 on: March 15, 2023, 02:32:27 AM »
Friends, the insights we now have into these three film clips completely sink the core findings of the Warren Commission-------------------


[Credit for posting of source GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]



To give a sense of just what a house of sand Warren Gullibility was built on----------before it sank once and for all with the proof furnished over the past couple of weeks of Mr. Oswald's front steps alibi----------, let us take the first few of Mr. Vincent Bugliosi's much-vaunted '51 Pieces of Evidence' against Mr. Oswald, from the close of his propaganda book Reclaiming History, and bring them up to date. I won't even bother correcting every questionable factual claim made here by Mr. Bugliosi (or whichever hired goon may have written these words). What matters for present purposes is the tendentious jumping to incriminating non sequiturs that has seen the Warren Gullibles get the case so horribly wrong:

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1. Whenever Oswald had Wesley Frazier drive him out to visit his wife and daughters at the Paine residence in Irving, he’d go on a Friday evening and return to Dallas on Monday morning. The assassination was on Friday, November 22, 1963. For the very first time, Oswald went to Irving with Frazier on Thursday evening, November 21, obviously to pick up his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle items needed for his political stunt for the following day.

2. Oswald told Wesley Frazier he was going to Irving to pick up some curtain rods for his apartment in Dallas. But Oswald’s landlady testified that the windows in Oswald’s room on North Beckley already had curtain rods and that Oswald never discussed getting curtain rods with her. Indeed, Allen Grant, a photographer for Life magazine, took a photo of Oswald’s room on the afternoon of the assassination, and it clearly shows the curtain rods that were alreaady in his room.

Additionally, Ruth Paine had two flat, lightweight curtain rods in her garage, and they were still there after Oswald’s arrest (although this crucial fact is, strangely enough, not recorded in a single official report, despite extensive searching of the Paine garage, and only comes to light in Ruth Paine's testimony months later). Oswald never asked Ruth Paine about curtain rods at any time. When Marina was asked in her Warren Commission testimony, “On the evening of the 21st, was anything said about curtain rods or his taking curtain rods to town the following day?” she answered, “No, I didn’t have any.” Question: “He didn’t say anything like that?” “No.” This makes sense, as Oswald naturally did not wish to communicate his intentions to his wife or to Ruth Paine. And no curtain rods were found in the Book Depository Building after the assassination, other than the two curtain rods which were found there and which were tested for his prints.

If Oswald, as he claimed, brought curtain rods to work, whatever happened to them (other than their being found in the building and tested for his prints)? We know from witnesses (on the bus, the cabdriver, and Earlene Roberts) that he wasn’t carrying any long package after he left the Book Depository Building. And, as indicated, no curtain rods other than the two tested for his prints were found in the building after the assassination. As with the supposed killer behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll whom no one saw run away, and the bullet that exited Kennedy’s throat without going on to hit Connally or anything else in the presidential limousine, did the curtain rods simply vanish into thin air remain undetected somewhere in the building until they were found and then tested for Mr. Oswald's prints? One would think that things like this would at least give the Oswald defenders and conspiracy theorists pause, but instead, their eyes blazing with certainty, they tell you correctly that you just don’t understand.

In addition to the evidence showing that Oswald’s curtain rod story was a fabrication true but incomplete, the story, all by itself, is inherently implausible. If Oswald did want to pick up curtain rods at Ruth Paine’s home for his apartment, why would that require him to go there on a Thursday evening? Could he only pick them up if he went there on a Thursday evening, not a Friday evening? We now have a convincing answer to these questions: the flag-waving protest stunt had to happen on the Friday, the day of President Kennedy's visit.

3. When Oswald told Wesley Frazier why he was coming to Irving on a Thursday night—to pick up curtain rods—Frazier said to Oswald, “Oh, very well,” then added, “Well, will you be going home with me tomorrow also?” and Oswald replied, “No.” He did this because he knew he would be leaving town after the events of Friday.

4. Oswald and his wife, Marina, shared an abiding interest in President Kennedy and his family and spoke of them often. Yet on Thursday evening, the night before the assassination, when Marina brought up in conversation with Oswald the president’s scheduled visit to Dallas the next day, she said, “He just ignored a little bit, you know, to talk about [it]…maybe changed subject about talking about…newborn baby or something like that…It was quite unusual that he did not want to talk about President Kennedy being in Dallas that particular evening. That was quite peculiar.” But we can now explain it: Oswald was preoccupied with what he was going to do the following day on the front steps of the building, and with its consequences. Accordingly, he was playing down, in front of his wife, the significance to him of President Kennedy's visit.

5. Friday morning, before leaving Ruth Paine’s house in Irving, Oswald left behind his wedding ring and $170, believed to be virtually all of his money, for Marina, demonstrating that he realized he might never see her again—that is, he might not survive the assassination would in all likelihood not be seeing her or the kids after the maneuver he was contemplating had signed up for. Moreover, as he left Marina that morning, Oswald told her to use the money to buy shoes for their new baby, Rachel, and “anything” else that she felt was necessary for the children. Marina thought this to be strange since Oswald had always been “most frugal” and hardly allowed her to spend any money at all. Again, this tallies with the theory that he expected to leave Dallas the following day. It is of course conceivable that his pleading with Marina the evening before to save their marriage had been sincere, but her refusal had decided him one hundred percent to go through with the next day's political stunt, the consequences of which he knew would be life-changing for him and his family.

6. Before Oswald got into Frazier’s car that Friday morning, the day of the assassination, he placed an approximately long 27.5-inch, bulky package on the rear seat, telling Frazier it contained the curtain rods. Which it did.


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Etc. etc. And Mr. Bugliosi hasn't even got to the time of the P. Parade yet...............!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2274 on: March 15, 2023, 05:01:21 AM »
Now how in the world did everyone in Dealey Plaza including the SS agents, miss seeing a guy on the front steps of TSBD waving a Cuban Flag?

The SS noticed the DC man with his hand raised and they saw the Umbrella man, but they missed the Cuban Flag man right on the front steps of TSBD?

Now since Oswald might have been paranoid enough to think that displaying a Cuban Flag in the midst of Texans and the POTUS might be a dangerous act , then I guess it’s a possible reason to leave money and wedding ring for Marina.

Possible, but probable,  due to lack of evidence of Oswald ever having had a Cuban flag, or displaying such flag in the Hughes film or anywhere else.

Oswald did not display a Cuban flag in New Orleans when he was handing out those “Hands off Cuba” leaflets in the midst of Anti Castro Cubans and getting himself in a fight with one of them.

No Cuban flag in the Back Yard photo either.

In fact, since the Anti Castro Cubans displayed the same flag, then Oswald probably never would have displayed a Cuban Flag if his intent was to demonstrate himself being a PRO Castro /Marxist .

Now maybe Mr.Ford can find a RED Communist /Marxist flag being waved , somewhere in a Hughes film gif.

And then THAT might actually be a much more probable reason why Oswald could have speculated  that waving Such flag in the midst of Texans , might very well be Oswald’s last day on earth, thus he left ring and money to Marina. 🙈

Or it maybe there was no plan to wave flags , there was no attempt to shoot at JFK, and Oswald left money and his ring as a natural last act of respecting his wife’s decision, and to look for his children. 🧐