Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1484 on: March 22, 2021, 11:52:52 PM »
After the assassination, Mr Lovelady found himself having to look again and again at the Altgens photograph (because of erroneous claims that the 'man in the doorway' was Mr Oswald rather than himself). His memory of relative positions at the time of the shooting was thus set in stone by that image. He confidently pointed out to Mr Dom Bonafede a lady shielding her eyes in that photograph, a lady who he said worked on the second floor. His recognition of this lady in the photograph, who is the person he sees standing next to him to his east, explains why he mentions her in his testimony:

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.


Had Mr Ball not (nervously!) interrupted Mr Lovelady here, he would have named the person "right behind" him as Mr Joe Molina, who indeed appears to be 'right behind' him in Altgens.



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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1485 on: March 25, 2021, 11:35:20 PM »
Guess the conspirators must have decided the Billy Lovelady in Hughes film with long sleeves wasn’t a problem, or else they missed spotting him.

They’re worried about that Altgen photo 1st print and that bare forearm that is not attached to either Lovelady or the black man.

Apparently there wasn’t much time to alter this 1st print and so they used some quick method of alteration to make the arm appear to be attached to the black man?

Or was it meant to make it appear the arm belonged to Lovelady?

It’s botched up either way as we examine now with our advanced tech Internet imaging devices,

However, 1963, they must have thought the 1st alteration  was good enough to fool most of the people , including Walter Cronkite, and that by the time any tech would be available for mass examination by the public at large, most the conspirators would probably be dead.

On examining the Weigman film later, some astute conspirator noticed Lovelady had his sleeves down and worried that eventually some CT like Mark Lane might actually notice that and also notice the arm was not dark enough to be plausibly belonging to the black man.

So apoarently, it was decided the Weigman film  frames needed to have Loveladys left arm blackened out and then a 2nd alteration to the Altgens to cover up the arm with texture pattern of Loveladys shirt.

Also apparently, the bottle was cut out or airbrushed out and then a new photo taken of this 2nd altered Altgen print to produce the negative that would become the official negative for the next 50 plus years.

And this was apparently missed by thousands of OCD JFK researchers until the end of the year 2020, when one Mr. Ford stumbled across this Walter Cronkite video and saw the anomaly in an extraordinary new way that becomes more apparent and defined as an arm with a bottle in it. Especially with enlargement and highlighting with blinking lights :)



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1486 on: March 26, 2021, 07:01:32 PM »
Guess the conspirators must have decided the Billy Lovelady in Hughes film with long sleeves wasn’t a problem, or else they missed spotting him.

They’re worried about that Altgen photo 1st print and that bare forearm that is not attached to either Lovelady or the black man.

Apparently there wasn’t much time to alter this 1st print and so they used some quick method of alteration to make the arm appear to be attached to the black man?

Or was it meant to make it appear the arm belonged to Lovelady?

It’s botched up either way as we examine now with our advanced tech Internet imaging devices,

However, 1963, they must have thought the 1st alteration  was good enough to fool most of the people , including Walter Cronkite, and that by the time any tech would be available for mass examination by the public at large, most the conspirators would probably be dead.

On examining the Weigman film later, some astute conspirator noticed Lovelady had his sleeves down and worried that eventually some CT like Mark Lane might actually notice that and also notice the arm was not dark enough to be plausibly belonging to the black man.

So apoarently, it was decided the Weigman film  frames needed to have Loveladys left arm blackened out and then a 2nd alteration to the Altgens to cover up the arm with texture pattern of Loveladys shirt.

Also apparently, the bottle was cut out or airbrushed out and then a new photo taken of this 2nd altered Altgen print to produce the negative that would become the official negative for the next 50 plus years.

And this was apparently missed by thousands of OCD JFK researchers until the end of the year 2020, when one Mr. Ford stumbled across this Walter Cronkite video and saw the anomaly in an extraordinary new way that becomes more apparent and defined as an arm with a bottle in it. Especially with enlargement and highlighting with blinking lights :)

This MAY also offer explanatory context to the remarkable 'misunderstanding' that happened when Mr Lovelady was photographed by FBI on 29 Feb 64. An official report stated that he brought to the photograph session the shirt he was wearing 11/22/63-------a short-sleeved red-white striped shirt



I still maintain there is a real possibility that Mr Lovelady was given Mr Eddie Piper's short-sleeved shirt at that session--------------



If only these photos were in color!
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1487 on: March 26, 2021, 10:10:42 PM »

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.


Had Mr Ball not (nervously!) interrupted Mr Lovelady here, he would have named the person "right behind" him as Mr Joe Molina, who indeed appears to be 'right behind' him in Altgens.



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Footnote! Those who wish to insist that the man I have identified as Mr Molina is in fact Mr Bill Shelley ought to reflect that Mr Shelley himself ruled this out: he told authorities he was beside Mr Lovelady but out of view of the Altgens camera----------



I believe this is Mr Shelley in the Wiegman film.............



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1488 on: March 29, 2021, 08:03:55 PM »
This MAY also offer explanatory context to the remarkable 'misunderstanding' that happened when Mr Lovelady was photographed by FBI on 29 Feb 64. An official report stated that he brought to the photograph session the shirt he was wearing 11/22/63-------a short-sleeved red-white striped shirt



I still maintain there is a real possibility that Mr Lovelady was given Mr Eddie Piper's short-sleeved shirt at that session--------------



If only these photos were in color!

I still maintain there is a real possibility that Mr Lovelady was given Mr Eddie Piper's short-sleeved shirt at that session--

Yes...if only those photos were in color.....Then we could know what color the buttons are on Lovelady's shirt.....We can see that the buttons on Eddie Piper's shirt are white while the buttons on Lovelady's shirt are NOT white......

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1489 on: March 29, 2021, 09:16:38 PM »
I still maintain there is a real possibility that Mr Lovelady was given Mr Eddie Piper's short-sleeved shirt at that session--

Yes...if only those photos were in color.....Then we could know what color the buttons are on Lovelady's shirt.....We can see that the buttons on Eddie Piper's shirt are white while the buttons on Lovelady's shirt are NOT white......

What color do you believe the buttons on Mr Lovelady's shirt are?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1490 on: March 29, 2021, 11:18:18 PM »
Feb 29/63 is a bit late to attempt a 3rd edition of Algren since the 2nd edition with Loveladys reddish brown shirt with grid pattern white lines has established a long sleeve shirt Lovelady, obfuscating the forearm image with shirt pattern and white out the dark bottle shape that was Intersecting  a portion  of Lovelady’s white Tshirt.

So it’s doubtful the purpose of photographing Lovelady wearing a shortsleeve vertical stripe shirt 3 months post assassination was some idea to paste the  image into Altgens photo as a 3rd edition version.