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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1330 on: March 03, 2021, 08:51:17 PM »
Gentlemen,

Some encouraging reading, especially the spotlight focus upon the three (3) "witnesses" hedging their bets while trying to frame an innocent individual without fear of perjury upon further review by a much closer examination of their statements.

Of course, that lingering fear was forever lifted off Baker, Truly & Reid after the wrongly accused was dispatched to a status of permanent silenced. Thus the horse manure we are still dissecting today (a phantom 2nd floor encounter between Mr. Baker and Truly-nothing truly about him; Mrs. Reid's phony encounter of the same; and, of course, omitting the actual encounter of the wrongly accused on the first floor near the storage room).

Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony, where she leaves little doubt that Mrs. Reid did not immediately return to the 2nd floor as she claimed...

Mr. BALL. When you came back in did you see Mrs. Reid?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right then.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody else go in through there?
Miss HINE. No, sir; after I answered the telephone then there was about four or five people that came in.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody in that room when you came back in and went to the telephone?
Miss HINE. No, sir
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In fact, Mrs. Hine observes Mrs. Reid come in with a group of five to six others.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Mrs. Reid come back in?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I think I felt sure that I did. I thought that there were five or six that came in together. I thought she was one of those.


Now, it gets even more interesting, because the only way Mrs. Reid could have seen the wrongly accused is Mrs. Hine was in position to vouch for it, but she doesn't ---->

Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald come in?
Miss HINE. My back would have been to the door he was supposed to have come in at.
Mr. BALL. Were you facing the door he is supposed to have left by?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall seeing him?
Miss HINE. No, sir.


An honest to goodness answer. The wrongly accused wasn't anywhere near that office, let alone in that office on the 2nd floor in spite of Baker, Truly & Mrs. Reid's hastily contrived horse manure to frame an innocent man. 

A genuine closer examination into Roy Truly's actual activities that afternoon would further shed some light to dispel the prevailing five decades old myth about a lone gunman and a satchel of magic bullets (please excuse the eye-roll).
 
Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


Cat got your tongue, Mr. Truly?! Cannot answer or won't answer?! Pleading the 5th, Mr. Truly?!

*Why was Roy Truly in the sniper's nest before the spent shells were found?

*Did Jack Dougherty encounter Roy Truly on the 6th floor prior to the motorcade's arrival?

*Why does Roy Truly want the whole world to think/believe that Jack Dougherty is a bit feeble minded? Did Jack Dougherty inadvertently come upon his boss planting a rifle and/or spent shell casings?










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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1331 on: March 03, 2021, 09:25:13 PM »
Lest we forget, only one single person claims he saw Roy Truly near the backstairs in the same WC timing sequence as the phony dash up the backstairs to embellish a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused. Only one single person.

The problem here is that that lone single person does not put Baker w/Roy Truly during that timing sequence ---->

Mr. BALL. You mentioned you saw Truly?
Mr. PIPER. I don’t know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was,
but another fellow was with him.
Mr. PIPER. He ran in and yelled, “Where is the elevator?” And I said, “I
don’t know, sir, Mr. Truly.”
They taken off and went on up the stairway and that’s all I know about
that.


IF Baker was with Roy Truly he would have not been mistaken for a mere policeman instead of a unmistakable motorcycle policeman in white helmet with long black boots, nor mistaken as an agent with the FBI or "another fellow". I will only concede that at some point that yes, Baker & Truly were together at some point, but certainly not in the timing sequence of the horse manure hastily contrived to invent a phantom encounter w/the wrongly accused.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1332 on: March 03, 2021, 09:30:56 PM »
Last thought today, best wishes to all who may pass this way to remain well, safe & healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges we are facing...


The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1333 on: March 03, 2021, 09:40:00 PM »
Gentlemen,

Some encouraging reading, especially the spotlight focus upon the three (3) "witnesses" hedging their bets while trying to frame an innocent individual without fear of perjury upon further review by a much closer examination of their statements.

Of course, that lingering fear was forever lifted off Baker, Truly & Reid after the wrongly accused was dispatched to a status of permanent silenced. Thus the horse manure we are still dissecting today (a phantom 2nd floor encounter between Mr. Baker and Truly-nothing truly about him; Mrs. Reid's phony encounter of the same; and, of course, omitting the actual encounter of the wrongly accused on the first floor near the storage room).

Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony, where she leaves little doubt that Mrs. Reid did not immediately return to the 2nd floor as she claimed...

Mr. BALL. When you came back in did you see Mrs. Reid?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right then.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody else go in through there?
Miss HINE. No, sir; after I answered the telephone then there was about four or five people that came in.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody in that room when you came back in and went to the telephone?
Miss HINE. No, sir
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In fact, Mrs. Hine observes Mrs. Reid come in with a group of five to six others.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Mrs. Reid come back in?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I think I felt sure that I did. I thought that there were five or six that came in together. I thought she was one of those.


Now, it gets even more interesting, because the only way Mrs. Reid could have seen the wrongly accused is Mrs. Hine was in position to vouch for it, but she doesn't ---->

Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald come in?
Miss HINE. My back would have been to the door he was supposed to have come in at.
Mr. BALL. Were you facing the door he is supposed to have left by?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall seeing him?
Miss HINE. No, sir.


An honest to goodness answer. The wrongly accused wasn't anywhere near that office, let alone in that office on the 2nd floor in spite of Baker, Truly & Mrs. Reid's hastily contrived horse manure to frame an innocent man. 

A genuine closer examination into Roy Truly's actual activities that afternoon would further shed some light to dispel the prevailing five decades old myth about a lone gunman and a satchel of magic bullets (please excuse the eye-roll).
 
Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


Cat got your tongue, Mr. Truly?! Cannot answer or won't answer?! Pleading the 5th, Mr. Truly?!

*Why was Roy Truly in the sniper's nest before the spent shells were found?

*Given his early return to work upon the upper floors, Did Jack Dougherty encounter Roy Truly on the 6th floor prior to the motorcades arrival?

*Why does Roy Truly want the whole world to think/believe that Jack Dougherty is a bit feeble minded? Did Jack Dougherty inadvertently come upon his boss planting a rifle and/or spent shell casings?

Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony, where she leaves little doubt that Mrs. Reid did not immediately return to the 2nd floor as she claimed...

I'm not one to sugar coat a fact.....But Don't you think that using the term "lying" is a bit strong when applied to Mrs Reid's "office gossip".....   I sincerely doubt that Mrs Reid was being malicious, when she claimed that the killer had walked right past her just minutes after the murder.   She was merely trying to impress her fellow workers......  But once the conspirators realized that they could use her, they wouldn't let her recant.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1334 on: March 03, 2021, 09:44:22 PM »
Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony, where she leaves little doubt that Mrs. Reid did not immediately return to the 2nd floor as she claimed...

I'm not one to sugar coat a fact.....But Don't you think that using the term "lying" is a bit strong when applied to Mrs Reid's "office gossip".....   I sincerely doubt that Mrs Reid was being malicious, when she claimed that the killer had walked right past her just minutes after the murder.   She was merely trying to impress her fellow workers......  But once the conspirators realized that they could use her, they wouldn't let her recant.

Okay, Mr. Cakebread, fair enough. I retract my strong sentiments that she outright lied, and consider perhaps she simply wished to place herself into the major story of the day. No harm, no foul...guess it's a bit of human nature.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1335 on: March 03, 2021, 09:55:04 PM »
The wrongly accused was framed.

No sniper actually waiting in ambush on the 6th floor facing forward would have known Mr. Jarman (Junior) and his companion, Norman, reentered the building from the rear. The wrongly accused witnessed their entrance in the rear of the building way down on the first floor because he was not in the front of the building up on the 6th floor.

The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1336 on: March 03, 2021, 11:09:16 PM »
Gentlemen,

Some encouraging reading, especially the spotlight focus upon the three (3) "witnesses" hedging their bets while trying to frame an innocent individual without fear of perjury upon further review by a much closer examination of their statements.

Of course, that lingering fear was forever lifted off Baker, Truly & Reid after the wrongly accused was dispatched to a status of permanent silenced. Thus the horse manure we are still dissecting today (a phantom 2nd floor encounter between Mr. Baker and Truly-nothing truly about him; Mrs. Reid's phony encounter of the same; and, of course, omitting the actual encounter of the wrongly accused on the first floor near the storage room).

Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony, where she leaves little doubt that Mrs. Reid did not immediately return to the 2nd floor as she claimed...

Mr. BALL. When you came back in did you see Mrs. Reid?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right then.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody else go in through there?
Miss HINE. No, sir; after I answered the telephone then there was about four or five people that came in.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody in that room when you came back in and went to the telephone?
Miss HINE. No, sir
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In fact, Mrs. Hine observes Mrs. Reid come in with a group of five to six others.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Mrs. Reid come back in?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I think I felt sure that I did. I thought that there were five or six that came in together. I thought she was one of those.


Now, it gets even more interesting, because the only way Mrs. Reid could have seen the wrongly accused is Mrs. Hine was in position to vouch for it, but she doesn't ---->

Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald come in?
Miss HINE. My back would have been to the door he was supposed to have come in at.
Mr. BALL. Were you facing the door he is supposed to have left by?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall seeing him?
Miss HINE. No, sir.


An honest to goodness answer. The wrongly accused wasn't anywhere near that office, let alone in that office on the 2nd floor in spite of Baker, Truly & Mrs. Reid's hastily contrived horse manure to frame an innocent man. 

"Anyone who has any lingering doubts that Mrs. Reid isn't lying, please read Geneva Hines WC testimony,"

You've left out something important - to read Hine's testimony with an unbiased, impartial eye rather than the frothing prejudice you are clearly displaying.
A fanatical mentality can only see that which supports it's own prejudice.
Here's a slightly more lucid look at Hine's testimony and, just for the record, I'd like to make it known that I don't believe Oswald took the shots.

Geneva Hine is alone in her office as the motorcade passes by. She watches what she can from an east window from which she can see part of Elm Street and up Houston Street. She actually sees JFK as the limo passes by. Then three shots ring out.

Mr. BALL. How many did you hear?
Miss HINE. Three.
Mr. BALL Could you tell where the shots were coming from?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; they came from inside the building.
Mr. BALL. How do you know that?
Miss HINE. Because the building vibrated from the result of the explosion coming in.
Mr. BALL. It appeared to you that the shots came from the building?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you know they were shots at the time?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; they sounded almost like cannon shots they were so terrific.

She continues to look out of the east window -  "I just stood there and saw people running to the east up Elm Street. I saw people running; I saw people falling down, you know, lying down on the sidewalk."

She decides to see what's going on so she leaves her office.
While this is happening, Jeraldean Reid, according to her testimony, is on her way up to the second floor office Hine has just vacated. Hine tries one door, knocking on and calling out but to no avail. She then walks down the short corridor to Southwestern Publishing Co:

Miss HINE. And there was a girl in there talking on the telephone and I could hear her but she didn't answer the door.
Mr. BALL. Was the door locked?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That was which company?
Miss HINE. Southwestern Publishing Co.
Mr. BALL. Did you call to her?
Miss HINE. I called and called and shook the door and she didn't answer me because she was talking on the telephone; I could hear her. They have a little curtain up and I could see her form through the curtains. I could see her talking and I knew that's what she was doing and then I turned and went through the back hall and came through the back door.

While Hine is trying to get the attention of the girl talking in the office, Reid and Oswald have their interaction. Hine then walks "through the back hall" (that is, the corridor leading towards the lunchroom), which is why she didn't see Oswald leaving. She enters her office "through the back door" and goes to her desk. She is sure there is no-one in the office when she returns from the corridor. She is instantly swamped with phone calls:

Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.
Mr. BALL. Did they come in rapidly?
Miss HINE They did come in rapidly.

Mr. BALL. From the time you walked into the room you became immediately busy with the phone?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; sure was.

Hine is aware of a group of people come in but she doesn't have a clue whether Reid is with them:

Mr. BALL. Do you have any definite recollection of Mrs. Reid coming in?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I only saw four or five people that came by and they all came and were all talking about how terrible it was.

Hine doesn't recognise Reid coming in with this group but she is aware Reid being there as they all talk about "how terrible it was".
The question is - if Reid encountered Oswald as she says, why isn't she in the office when Hine returns?

Read Reid's testimony with an impartial eye ( :D fat chance) and you'll understand why Reid wasn't in the room when Hine returned.