Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1204 on: February 05, 2021, 01:13:17 AM »
The "vestibule" is the small space next to the second floor lunchroom. This is from Truly's affidavit:

"2. The door opening on the vestibule of the lunchroom on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building is usually shut because of a closing mechanism on the door"

Yes. Mr Oswald used the word 'vestibule' in interrogation. Vestibule means front lobby; more rarely, it can mean front porch.

Mr Belin later made sure to describe that second floor space (absurdly) as a 'vestibule' during Mr Truly's testimony, and Mr Truly played along.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1205 on: February 05, 2021, 01:52:38 AM »
Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

It’s at that point that Oswald was seen as Baker reaches the stairs and it was a reflex action with gun still in hand as Baker saw Oswald going “away “ from that front staircase TO the storage room.

 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1206 on: February 05, 2021, 02:11:15 AM »
 Carolyn Arnold’s very 1st FBI statement, the only one she SIGNED her name on, does NOT refer to
2nd floor lunchroom. Instead   Arnold describes glimpsing Oswald on the 1st floor in the hallway between  front entrance door and the 2nd set of doors leading to the warehouse at approximately time of 12:25. That
is a description of the front foyer, and NOT the vestibule of the 2nd floor lunchroom.
She later denies this FBI statement and starts the 2nd floor lunchroom version in 2nd FBI statement NOT signing her name. And embellishes on that story many years later adding more details such as Oswald seated etc.

Imo, Carolyn Arnold was coerced to change her original 1st floor sighting to the 2nd floor.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1207 on: February 05, 2021, 02:14:08 AM »
Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

It’s at that point that Oswald was seen as Baker reaches the stairs and it was a reflex action with gun still in hand as Baker saw Oswald going “away “ from that front staircase TO the storage room.

Well maybe, and it has been suggested that the Darnell film shows Officer Baker's pistol already drawn as he runs towards the building entrance.

But! Given how soon after the assassination this was, Officer Baker can hardly have suspected Mr Oswald of involvement in shots fired from the top of the building. That would be even MORE absurd (which is saying something!) than Officer Baker singling out as suspicious a man behind a closed door on the second floor...........

There is a simple solution to this. IF Officer Baker already had his gun drawn as he entered the building, then Agent Bookhout's solo interrogation report may be telling us (with altered location) exactly what Mr Oswald said--------------------

...a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there...

'Do you work here?' in this context is not a suspicious question (how could it be?) but an urgent inquiry meaning 'Do you know where the nearest stairs are?'

In which case Mr Oswald was TWICE asked for directions in the immediate aftermath of the shooting: first from Officer Baker, then from Mr Pierce Allman.

IF this was in the lobby, then it must have been right by the glass doors----------otherwise Mr Lovelady, who was still on the steps, would not have seen it (and mentioned it to Mr Jarman).

Furthermore! If Officer Baker were anywhere near the front-of-house storage room, he wouldn't have needed anyone's help in finding the stairs............



That door you see is the door to the storage room!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1208 on: February 05, 2021, 02:22:06 AM »
Carolyn Arnold’s very 1st FBI statement, the only one she SIGNED her name on, does NOT refer to
2nd floor lunchroom. Instead   Arnold describes glimpsing Oswald on the 1st floor in the hallway between  front entrance door and the 2nd set of doors leading to the warehouse at approximately time of 12:25.

Where's her signature? This is an interview report, not a signed statement. Ms Arnold was furious when Mr Earl Golz read it out to her over the telephone.

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is a description of the front foyer, and NOT the vestibule of the 2nd floor lunchroom.
She later denies this FBI statement and starts the 2nd floor lunchroom version in 2nd FBI statement NOT signing her name.

What second FBI statement?

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And embellishes on that story many years later adding more details such as Oswald seated etc.

Imo, Carolyn Arnold was coerced to change her original 1st floor sighting to the 2nd floor.

No, she was contacted by Mr Earl Golz and Mr Anthony Summers. No coercion!

I believe Ms Arnold saw Mr Oswald in the second floor lunchroom several minutes before the shooting, AND again behind the front entrance glass doors a little later. Mr Oswald, as he ate his lunch on one after buying the coke, kept an eye on the action outside---------------he wanted to wait until the P. Parade arrived before popping out. (No desire to stand on the steps making small talk with other employees.)
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1209 on: February 05, 2021, 02:33:38 AM »
Want a good laugh?

Within a few days of the assassination, a filmed reconstruction was made of Evil Oswald's fiendish descent from the sniper's nest to the second floor lunchroom. How does the man playing Evil Oswald bring his performance to a close? By sitting at one of the tables:D



Those suffering from Lunchroom Derangement Syndrome are now cordially invited to explain how this SS reconstruction was carried out without either Officer Baker or the on-site building manager Mr Truly being consulted as to Mr Oswald's exact whereabouts at the time he was confronted!

Unfortunately for our LDS sufferers, it gets even worse. There is a whopping coincidence between the above and what Mr Truly himself was telling folks in the first days after the assassination-------------



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1210 on: February 05, 2021, 03:22:27 AM »
Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

It’s at that point that Oswald was seen as Baker reaches the stairs and it was a reflex action with gun still in hand as Baker saw Oswald going “away “ from that front staircase TO the storage room.

Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

I also believe that Baker started up front stairs that ended on the second floor....I believe that he tried to enter the office area through the swinging door but it was latched and at That point Roy truly ran into Baker's back.  Truly of course knew how to release the dor and told Baker to follow him and he'd show him the way to the roof.   As they passed through the vesibule at the west end of the 2nd floor lunchroom, Baker glanced into the lunchroom and saw Lee by the coke machine.  And you know the rest of the story.   

When the police started analyzing the story that Baker was telling they realized that there was NO WAY that Lee Oswald could have been in that lunchroom if he had been firing a rifle on the sixth floor when JFK was murdered.  But the police were intent on putting Lee in the electric chair because they believed he had shot a fellow officer. So they invented the tale about Baker waiting at the elevator on the first floor which was supposed to give enough time for Lee Oswald to have reached the lunchroom before Baker arrived on the second floor.

Of course I'll never be able to get many to accept this scenario...  But I believe it's a very real possibility.