Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Jack Nessan]

From Mr Truly's 11/22 FBI interview report------------



Why are you telling us this, Mr Truly? 

Good post about Truly's account of the encounter, but it gets worse for LHO and his mistaken admission of being located on the upper floor during the assassination.

This explains the vestibule and also the double doors as being on the second floor before the lunchroom.

The following affidavit was executed by Roy Sansom Truly on August 3, 1964.
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss:

I, Roy Sansom Truly, being duly sworn say:
1. I am the Superintendent of the Texas School Book Depository Building Dallas, Texas.
2. The door opening on the vestibule of the lunchroom on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building is usually shut because of a closing mechanism on the door

[Jack Nessan]

No sensational, game-changing final alteration of the story was noted by Captain Fritz or anyone else, and the reason is that there was no sensational, game-changing final alteration of the story.

--------------------Mr Oswald said he visited the second floor lunchroom before the motorcade and went outside to watch the P. Parade.

--------------------Mr Oswald said he encountered a cop at the front entrance.

This is the same story: Mr Oswald being out front for the assassination puts him in Officer Baker's path. And-------a point you keep ignoring-------DPD on 11/22 were telling the press all about this front entrance encounter. And Mr Lovelady saw it and told Mr Jarman all about it.

If Officer Baker's dash into the building had not been so disastrously quick, the encounter never would have been moved up to the second floor lunchroom.

LHO's own admissions in repeated interogations place him and Baker meeting on the second floor. They also repeated infer there was some interaction by coworkers. No coworker has ever stated they ate lunch with him or saw him eating lunch in the first floor lunch room
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Holmes clearly states he has no knowledge of the interior of the TSBD. He also states the encounter with Baker took place by the Coke Machine. Understanding an encounter by a Coke Machine requires no knowledge of the layout of the TSBD.

The only time LHO was outside of the TSBD was when he left the building to catch the bus.

You cannot judge what people knew in 11/ 63 with what is known today. The whereabouts of all the employees is well known now, but would not have been known by LHO or anyone else with any degree of certainty. LHO inadvertently stated his whereabouts during the assassination based on what he knew at the time. Today we know he gave himself up as being on the 6th floor by stating he came down stairs to the lunch room encounter after the "commotion" referenced by him.

[Walt Cakebread]

LHO's own admissions in repeated interogations place him and Baker meeting on the second floor. They also repeated infer there was some interaction by coworkers. No coworker has ever stated they ate lunch with him or saw him eating lunch in the first floor lunch room
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Holmes clearly states he has no knowledge of the interior of the TSBD. He also states the encounter with Baker took place by the Coke Machine. Understanding an encounter by a Coke Machine requires no knowledge of the layout of the TSBD.

The only time LHO was outside of the TSBD was when he left the building to catch the bus.

You cannot judge what people knew in 11/ 63 with what is known today. The whereabouts of all the employees is well known now, but would not have been known by LHO or anyone else with any degree of certainty. LHO inadvertently stated his whereabouts during the assassination based on what he knew at the time. Today we know he gave himself up as being on the 6th floor by stating he came down stairs to the lunch room encounter after the "commotion" referenced by him.

Wow!!.... I've seen some real idiots post in the various forums, but YOU Mr Nessan surpass them all....

[Alan Ford]

Good post about Truly's account of the encounter, but it gets worse for LHO and his mistaken admission of being located on the upper floor during the assassination.

This explains the vestibule and also the double doors as being on the second floor before the lunchroom.

The following affidavit was executed by Roy Sansom Truly on August 3, 1964.
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss:

I, Roy Sansom Truly, being duly sworn say:
1. I am the Superintendent of the Texas School Book Depository Building Dallas, Texas.
2. The door opening on the vestibule of the lunchroom on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building is usually shut because of a closing mechanism on the door

So two doors rather than two sets of doors (as per Mr Holmes). Got it! 

[Alan Ford]

LHO's own admissions in repeated interogations place him and Baker meeting on the second floor.

How many times are you going to misrepresent what's in the Hosty draft report, Mr Nessan?
--------visit to second floor lunchroom (pre-assassination)
--------lunch on one (pre-assassination)
--------then outside to watch P. Parade

No post-assassination encounter with Officer Baker in the second floor lunchroom.

They also repeated infer there was some interaction by coworkers. No coworker has ever stated they ate lunch with him or saw him eating lunch in the first floor lunch room

Why do you favor Inspector Kelley's version of this over Agent Bookhout's? Oh, I forgot------Agent Bookhout took a little nap while Inspector Kelley stayed awake to hear Mr Oswald change his story.

Mr Oswald claimed----truthfully----that he ate lunch alone in the domino room, during which time he noticed Messrs Jarman and Norman pass through. He also claimed----truthfully----that he took what remained of his lunch/coke outside to watch the P. Parade------------and hence was (as Captain Fritz let slip) eating his lunch in the presence of other employees when the assassination happened, and saw all the 'excitement'.
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Holmes clearly states he has no knowledge of the interior of the TSBD.

And yet he describes its front area to a T. Because he is recalling Mr Oswald's description.

He also states the encounter with Baker took place by the Coke Machine. Understanding an encounter by a Coke Machine requires no knowledge of the layout of the TSBD.

~Yawn~ More shameless cherry-picking......

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke."

Mr Holmes heard Mr Oswald mention having bought the coke from the coke machine--------a pre-motorcade event.

The only time LHO was outside of the TSBD was when he left the building to catch the bus.

You cannot judge what people knew in 11/ 63 with what is known today. The whereabouts of all the employees is well known now, but would not have been known by LHO or anyone else with any degree of certainty.

Did Mr Oswald have access to the latest newspapers? If not, how come he was able to tell the same story of a front entrance encounter that DPD were telling press on 11/22?

LHO inadvertently stated his whereabouts during the assassination based on what he knew at the time. Today we know he gave himself up as being on the 6th floor by stating he came down stairs to the lunch room encounter after the "commotion" referenced by him.

We know nothing of the sort, lol.

And once again------you are aware, I hope, that Mr Oswald was seen downstairs after folks broke for lunch. So your wild theory, based on a ridiculously forced reading of Mr Holmes' compressed account, is that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz on the Sunday that he never came downstairs after folks broke for lunch. Good luck with that!

[Walt Cakebread]

How many times are you going to misrepresent what's in the Hosty draft report, Mr Nessan?
--------visit to second floor lunchroom (pre-assassination)
--------lunch on one (pre-assassination)
--------then outside to watch P. Parade

No post-assassination encounter with Officer Baker in the second floor lunchroom.

Why do you favor Inspector Kelley's version of this over Agent Bookhout's? Oh, I forgot------Agent Bookhout took a little nap while Inspector Kelley stayed awake to hear Mr Oswald change his story.

Mr Oswald claimed----truthfully----that he ate lunch alone in the domino room, during which time he noticed Messrs Jarman and Norman pass through. He also claimed----truthfully----that he took what remained of his lunch/coke outside to watch the P. Parade------------and hence was (as Captain Fritz let slip) eating his lunch in the presence of other employees when the assassination happened, and saw all the 'excitement'.
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And yet he describes its front area to a T. Because he is recalling Mr Oswald's description.

~Yawn~ More shameless cherry-picking......

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke."

Mr Holmes heard Mr Oswald mention having bought the coke from the coke machine--------a pre-motorcade event.

Did Mr Oswald have access to the latest newspapers? If not, how come he was able to tell the same story of a front entrance encounter that DPD were telling press on 11/22?

We know nothing of the sort, lol.

And once again------you are aware, I hope, that Mr Oswald was seen downstairs after folks broke for lunch. So your wild theory, based on a ridiculously forced reading of Mr Holmes' compressed account, is that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz on the Sunday that he never came downstairs after folks broke for lunch. Good luck with that!

Mr Ford, your imaginary information surrounding Lee Oswald's actions between 12:15 pm and 12:35 Pm is no better than Mr Nessan's imaginary information.  Apparently neither of you can comprehend what you read....   Or at least neither of you can understand that Postal Inspector  Harry Holmes had been hanging around the DPD and hearing bits and pieces of information from the time that Lee Oswald was brought to police headquarters.  Holmes knew the story that was being created and fed to the reporters.... So when he listened in on the interrogation of Lee Oswald that Sunday morning he tried to fit Lee's account into the framework of the story he already knew....But that story was not true.   The most glaring error that Holmes made was founded in his belief that Lee Oswald was guilty,...   And since he accepted that Lee was guilty  (because Holmes had been watching Lee's mail box, as an FBI informant , and therefore he  "knew" that Lee was a communist )   he accepted the tale that Lee had been on the sixth floor at the time shots were fired from the sixth floor window. ***

Bottomline....   Holmes report is simply a twisted account of what Lee said that Sunday morning just minutes before he was lead to his lynching.       

P.S. Once a person like Holmes, accepts a lie about another person (LHO) who is being held up in the limelight as a demented devil, and Holmes believes  the tales being told are true, it's very easy for that person ( Holmes)  to create false information about the villain.  And that's exactly what Holmes did. 

A simple example.....  Everybody knows that Adolph Hitler, was pure evil....  So If I were to say that I'd found secret information that Hitler engaged in sex with small children ....   Many people would simple accept it as the truth.

***  There were no shots fired from he sixth floor window.

[Alan Ford]

Mr Ford, your imaginary information surrounding Lee Oswald's actions between 12:15 pm and 12:35 Pm is no better than Mr Nessan's imaginary information.  Apparently neither of you can comprehend what you read....   Or at least neither of you can understand that Postal Inspector  Harry Holmes had been hanging around the DPD and hearing bits and pieces of information from the time that Lee Oswald was brought to police headquarters.  Holmes knew the story that was being created and fed to the reporters.... So when he listened in on the interrogation of Lee Oswald that Sunday morning he tried to fit Lee's account into the framework of the story he already knew....But that story was not true.   The most glaring error that Holmes made was founded in his belief that Lee Oswald was guilty,...   And since he accepted that Lee was guilty  (because Holmes had been watching Lee's mail box, as an FBI informant , and therefore he  "knew" that Lee was a communist )   he accepted the tale that Lee had been on the sixth floor at the time shots were fired from the sixth floor window. ***

Bottomline....   Holmes report is simply a twisted account of what Lee said that Sunday morning just minutes before he was lead to his lynching.       

P.S. Once a person like Holmes, accepts a lie about another person (LHO) who is being held up in the limelight as a demented devil, and Holmes believes  the tales being told are true, it's very easy for that person ( Holmes)  to create false information about the villain.  And that's exactly what Holmes did. 

A simple example.....  Everybody knows that Adolph Hitler, was pure evil....  So If I were to say that I'd found secret information that Hitler engaged in sex with small children ....   Many people would simple accept it as the truth.

***  There were no shots fired from he sixth floor window.

Nope. Mr Holmes' recollection is somewhat compressed & muddled, but he gets the essentials of Mr Oswald's (truthful) claims right------------

1. Encounter between coke-in-hand Mr Oswald and officer (=Marrion L. Baker) at front entrance

2. Showing crewcut man (= Mr Pierce Allman) to nearest phone

3. No lunchroom encounter