Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1099 on: January 25, 2021, 06:15:17 PM »
There is no consistency in his statement. LHO tells Kelley he ate with the colored boys, He tells Bookhout he ate alone.

No----the lack of consistency is entirely in the reports made of what he said. Remember: Inspector Kelley and Agent Bookhout are reporting on one and the same session, which they both attended! Does either of them indicate that Mr Oswald gave two completely different answers in that session?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1100 on: January 25, 2021, 06:27:27 PM »
But there's more. Mr Ford is convinced the Wiegman film has been altered. According to his theory, the shadow we see cast down the left side of Lovelady as we look at it, has been added to disguise the fact Lovelady is wearing a long-sleeved shirt. (The shadow, by the way is obviously the edge of the wall of the front entrance, but don't tell Alan that).

Aha! It's taken you weeks and weeks and weeks to bring yourself to tell us that, Mr O'Meara. What a tremendous breakthrough!

So------------the shadow is the edge of the wall of the front entrance, is it?

Here's Mr Lovelady with the shadow down the right side of his body---------



The green line here (a model of the doorway @ Darnell) shows where the shadowline actually fell at 12:30pm 11/22/63:



Now, Mr O'Meara-----------can you kindly indicate, using the image above, where on those steps you believe Mr Lovelady is standing in the Wiegman frame above?

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1101 on: January 25, 2021, 06:28:18 PM »
Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"-

You're confused Mr F. .....    Bookhout thought that Baker was searching the TSBD when he saw Lee In the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Bookhout may have got that idea from Lee Oswald....  Lee may have assumed that Baker was searching the building, and in a way that is what Baker was doing.....( He said his eyes swept, searched, the various floors as they ascended the stairs, and that's how he spotted Lee Oswald.)  Lee simply assumed that Baker was searching the building and thus told Fritz that he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the police searched the building.

You're completely missing the point I was making, Mr Cakebread

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1102 on: January 25, 2021, 07:51:27 PM »
You're completely missing the point I was making, Mr Cakebread

Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

Hosty / Bookhout From page 619 of WR.   11/23/63

 "Oswald claimed that he went to lunch at approximately noon. and he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building."   

We don't know what Lee actually said.....Hosty and Bookhout may have misunderstood  or maybe Lee wasn't clear...

Lee could easily have started his lunch break at " approximately noon" ...But that doesn't mean that he started eating at that time....( As a matter of fact he couldn't have started eating at "approximately noon" in the Domino room because the lunchroom was filled with TSBD employees at that time, and nobody reported seeing Lee there in the lunchroom at that time.
By 12:15 all of the employees who had been eating their lunch in that lunchroom had departed ( see the various affidavits)

Furthermore...Lee was eating his lunch ALONE in that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 when Jarman and Norman passed by.

And he went to the 2nd floor to get a coke to drink with his lunch....He was seen by Baker and Truly while he was in that 2nd floor lunchroom .  Then he returned to the 1st floor Domino room to finish his lunch.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1103 on: January 25, 2021, 09:12:15 PM »
Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

Hosty / Bookhout From page 619 of WR.   11/23/63

 "Oswald claimed that he went to lunch at approximately noon. and he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building."   

We don't know what Lee actually said.....Hosty and Bookhout may have misunderstood  or maybe Lee wasn't clear...

Lee could easily have started his lunch break at " approximately noon" ...But that doesn't mean that he started eating at that time....( As a matter of fact he couldn't have started eating at "approximately noon" in the Domino room because the lunchroom was filled with TSBD employees at that time, and nobody reported seeing Lee there in the lunchroom at that time.
By 12:15 all of the employees who had been eating there lunch in that lunchroom had departed ( see the various affidavits)

Furthermore...Lee was eating his lunch ALONE in that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 when Jarman and Norman passed by.

And he went to the 2nd floor to get a coke to drink with his lunch....He was seen by Baker and Truly while he was in that 2nd floor lunchroom .  Then he returned to the 1st floor Domino room to finish his lunch.

All you have done here, Mr Cakebread, is find another way to miss the point I was making

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1104 on: January 26, 2021, 12:16:14 AM »
All you have done here, Mr Cakebread, is find another way to miss the point I was making

No Alan, What I have done is clarify the information that you have jumbled .......

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1105 on: January 26, 2021, 02:30:32 AM »
No----the lack of consistency is entirely in the reports made of what he said. Remember: Inspector Kelley and Agent Bookhout are reporting on one and the same session, which they both attended! Does either of them indicate that Mr Oswald gave two completely different answers in that session?

It is possible they weren't both there at the same time or the whole time. Very similar statements though. They are consistent in regards to the claim of the  presence of coworkers he is attempting to use as an alibi. What he admits to is the lunchroom encounter taking place on the second floor before he ate his lunch in the presence of the coworkers. An event he eventually states happened after he came down the stairs to see what the commotion was about. An event he eventually  claims happened after the assassination not before. By the end of his interrogation little doubt he is making stories up about his whereabouts during the assassination.

Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called 'Junior' and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple..."

Inspector Kelley, 11/23 interrogation report:
"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as 'Junior', a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, and apples..."